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    #16
    ????? there is a great difference between that one 1 marked on pin and the pin in this thread ! definitely not same pin !

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      #17
      What are all the small holes on the edge? Patina is beautiful, just like it was applied with a brush! : )
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      Last edited by Sly; 12-29-2011, 11:53 AM.

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        #18
        To me the cross in that tread as well as in the link are extremely nice post-war copies.

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          #19
          Originally posted by fabri-online View Post
          ????? there is a great difference between that one 1 marked on pin and the pin in this thread ! definitely not same pin !
          I talking about DK from thread starter....

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            #20
            Here are the scans:
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              #21
              I also don't have Dietrichs book here right now - but I am curious to hear Dietrichs statement.

              As you posted scans, did you buy it?

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                #22
                Originally posted by USA_Kev View Post

                As you posted scans, did you buy it?
                yes, since I have it in my hand more I am sure that the cross is original...

                I will post more pictures tommorow.

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                  #23
                  here is a original one for comparison.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by StefanK. View Post
                    here is a original one for comparison.
                    Stefan, this one is in Dietrich book, this cross have unusual rivets.
                    Site 79 Dietrich book, this diferent shaped rivets are maybe from different tool.

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                      #25
                      Like I see from the pics , original early 10 rivets Deschler DKiG with fabric mistake for a center of golden wreath.
                      From pics rivets,golden wreath,pin,pin catch,enamel of swastika ,black colour on star ,...looks fine!
                      What about measures and weight ?
                      Best Regards
                      Mark

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                        #26
                        I think that it is a great idea to know Dietrich opinion ????
                        RS

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                          #27
                          I see differences in the pin (clearly) and also in the hinge. I don't like the rivets either. They are to close to the backplate and too evenly shaped. The early 10 rivet pieces had irregular shaped heads and were not that tight. Some even were re-fastened by the recipient (or earlier in the shop already). I go with Fabrizio on this one. I think it is a post war piece, but would love to have the opportunity to study in hand. The weight would also be interesting! (this could be from the same "maker" who produced the infamous 14 rivet piece).

                          Dietrich
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                            #28
                            Dietrich,

                            thanks for your input!

                            If the thread starter doesn't have to re-weigh, here is the weigth which was already stated about!

                            Originally posted by -=Re-Sa=- View Post
                            From the back is nice blue/black patina, from the front is cleaned on my opinion.
                            I did not find nothing wrong with it, number 1939 is typical for deschler crosses.
                            The weins on the wreath have clear definition, swastika on the top sits nice inside lower indent.
                            The DK weight 65.60 g.
                            Discussing an item like this it should probably end up in your hands ...

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                              #29
                              Dietrich, thank you for opinion.
                              Rivets are not so thight, I will post more pictures from the side tommorow.
                              Uper and lower star are not so thigt together.
                              If you talking about this 14-rivet cross:
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=14+rivet
                              then please look at the date 1941, first nr 1 is clearly diferent, it is a not the same tool die.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
                                I see differences in the pin (clearly) and also in the hinge. I don't like the rivets either. They are to close to the backplate and too evenly shaped. The early 10 rivet pieces had irregular shaped heads and were not that tight. Some even were re-fastened by the recipient (or earlier in the shop already). I go with Fabrizio on this one. I think it is a post war piece, but would love to have the opportunity to study in hand. The weight would also be interesting! (this could be from the same "maker" who produced the infamous 14 rivet piece).

                                Dietrich
                                Dietrich, thank you for your imput, have a Nice New Year full of new books !!!!
                                Best,
                                RS

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