EK 1 Spange L 21

[Dale B]

Hello Guys , If anybody has a EK 1 Spange 1939 with a L 21 MM ( No / between the L & 21) post a pic. of the front & back this would be a great service, I am trying to master this dig. camera but it is not going to good. Just to compare with the one I have. Someone told me It might be a repro.

Thanks for any help.
Dale B

[George Stimson]

Does the front look like this?

[Dale B]

Hello George ,Thanks for the fast reply, thats a good pic. I would say yes mine seems to be duller or more frosting?? on the bird. The nines look alike. My bird is very detailed. I hope the one you showed is real .

Thanks George

Dale B

[George Stimson]

And does the back look like this?

[Dale B]

Hello , yes even the MM is in the same place, and the pin is bent a little like the one your showing. the only diff. is the catch yours is round wire mine is flat, soldered on the same. Hope this is a good sign?

Thanks again George

Dale B

[George Stimson]

Dale

I'm afraid it's not a good sign. These Spanges are repros, the infamous Flochs. (The maker's mark on mine is "L11" but they often have "L21.")
Sorry.

[Dale B]

Thanks George, not what I wanted to hear but thats why I joined this Forum, thanks for all the help George.

Dale B

[Tom Yanacek]

Hello Dale,
Yes, these Spangen are bogus. They are well known fakes that have been around for a long time. At least 15 years or more. The pins on these are usually soft and bend too easily.
Best regards! Tom

[Dale B]

Hello again, ? what are the (Infamous Flocks) you were talking about. Trying to learn from past mistakes .


Thanks Dale B

[theunionjack]

Yes mate

I would have to agree with big george on that one , the L21 was very heavy fake , i have seen a few over the years and to be honest i try to stay clear for that reason , amazing though how tricky them fakes can get , but we live and learn , and now you are a member of the best source on earth to check stuff out , you wont go to much wrong after this

regards

jack

[George Stimson]

"Infamous Flochs" are a series of reproduction, post-war badges manufactured (or commissioned?) by an enterprising gentleman named Johannes Floch. These bad badges include EKs, KVKs, and Spangen, and they have polluted the collecting community for years.

[theunionjack]

And

polluted a lot of peoples hard earned cash aswell .........Beware of the Flock , He's had me.....and im still looking for him(joke)
If you do a search on "flock" i think you will find quite a few interesting posts that might help you out for reference ,

Anyway , enough about Flock , Im off to the pub to talk Football and Drink as many pints as i can to ease the fact that i have spent a fortune today ?

(on what??????........aaaahhhhh???????? , thats a secret?)

Jack

[jwburchell]

Floched?

Well, here is my weekend acquisition. Didn't have my reference materials at hand and, although I didn't feel 100% right about this one, I took a chance. It is maker-marked L21.

Judging by the images posted here by George Stimson, I guess that I should have gone with my gut-feeling. Would you agree or not? (If so, I believe that I will be able to return it.)

Thanks,
John Burchell

[jwburchell]

Reverse view: which seems to look like the "L21" pictured on page 265 of "The Iron Time"...no?

[George Stimson]

Yes, it's bad. If you are able to, return it.