E.K.2 schinkle solid piece

[atcase]

Hi to all,
here are some pictures of my latest acquisition a single pice E.K. 2nd class. My first one of these . Your opinions appreciated OR

Second set of pictures show it against my other schinkle.

Ashley

[atcase]

Rev.

Ashley

[atcase]

Edge shot,

may not be clear enough ?
Ashley

[atcase]

Basic stats

weight = 19.6 gr
height of cross = 42.86 mm
width of cross = 43.30 mm
thickness = 3.8 mm

Ashley

[Frank Heukemes]

I would say it is ok. Compare it to my one piece construction Schinkel, I guess they are the same. I think I can see yours also has the stippled core, yes?

[Frank Heukemes]

reverse

[atcase]

Hi Frank,
thanks for the reply. Yes my example does have the stippled core it is not vey apparent in the poor photography The dates are also a perfect match. Thanks again for the reply.
Ashley

[George Stimson]

All of which brings up an interesting question that I have never heard answered: If "Schinkel-form" EKs exist because manufacturers were using up the smaller (i.e., non-Third Reich) frames left over from World War One, why do we encounter Schinkels that are struck as one piece?

[Sonderkommando]

Exactly right George, I would like to know the answer to this as well.


Regards,
Brett

[Laurence Strong]

Could someone explain this to me "Schinkle" would be a Manufactor, and what do you mean by 1 piece. Were these EK's cast as a 1 piece item? Thank you for your help

[Frank Heukemes]

It is not really that difficult to find one piece Schinkels, also EK1s, not just EK2s. Why always seek perfect answers for these things? They are there and original. Remember there are WWI EKs of the same one piece construction as well.

I would guess old WWI frames were used up where existant, where not, NEW frames were made with the WWI tools. In parallel, EKs in one piece constrcution were made with similar (or even just altered) tools like the WWI ones.

@Laurence: Schinkel is not a maker, Schinkel (last name) is the person who "invented" the Iron Cross design. If an early war 1939 EK has the peculiar form as you can see it in this thread (arms not as curved as on later, much more common crosses), we speak of Schinkel crosses. Compare pics of "common" EKs to ones of Schinkel crosses and you will spot the difference.
Yes, one piece means that what we usually find to be obverse frame, reverse frame and core (3 pieces) is just produced as ONE piece.

[TerryG]

Schinkel

Hi Laurence, no in this case Schinkel is not the manufacturer of the cross. The name refers to Mr Karl Schinkel who was the designer of the 1st Iron cross back in the 1800's. His design had this unique look with narrow arms.
As far as the one piece is concerned, although I do not own one (but would like to ) I understand that a number of EK's were indeed made from a single piece instead of the more common 3 piece construction. You have to be very careful though as there are many one-piece fakes.
(I see Frank beat me to it by 2 minutes!)

[atcase]

Hi to all,
on page 60 of G Williamsons book on The iIron Cross of 1939 write`s that some jewellers (he quotes Wilm as an example) instead of incuring the high costs cutting dies (for the iron core) they simply cast them in small numbers though strictly unofficial !

Laurence the term Schinkle initially refers to the architect Karl Friedrich Schinkle whose design was chosen for the origonal Iron cross
It also used in terms as on the earlier I.C.`s have a stepped core.

Ashley

[Laurence Strong]

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions . If i was not so cheap I would buy the book on the EK's, but then I would not have that money to put towards a new badge . Anyways who needs the book, when I can pick all of your collective brains and get the correct answers