DkiG - Steinhauer & Lueck?!

[Kev G]

Folks,

can you please take a look at this DKiG? The seller claims it to be a late Steinhauer & Lueck piece ... but if I remember correctly, those were never officially awarded during wartime and only produced post-war?!

Any input will be greatly appreciated.

[Kev G]

backside

[Kev G]

two more ... thanks!

[Leroy]

Different baseplate for the catch and different rivets than normally seen. Is there an incused '4' on the pin reverse?

S&L DK's are the subject of controversy, but many (if not most) believe that it is more likely that some were, in fact, produced during the war.

[Andreas Klein]

As already saif SuL DK are some sort of believing ... I'm one of the pro SUL collectors and think they were wartime made.

Attached is one i accept as wartime one and i think that this one has another "feeling" than your one. Judged by my gut feeling the one you show is imo to perfect. I like the white frosting but the golden wreath and the red area gives me a bad feeling.

[Andreas Klein]

Some more pictures

[Andreas Klein]

and the last picture

[Kev G]

Hi Andreas,

thanks a lot for your information and your pictures - I really appreciate this.

Looking at the pictures, the main difference I recognize is the needle - the one you show is twisted ...

I still have my doubts of what to do - especially now you basically raise a red flag with "being to perfect" ... my gut feeling tells me to stay away, I guess.

Thanks again ...

[Matthieu]

Hi Kev,

I've already contacted the seller stating what this piece actually is.
IMO its a rare Deschler made 1957 issue DKiG, which had the EK1 on top removed and replaced by a swastika.
Rivits were removed and the swastika refitted and re-rivited. Hence not a wartime made piece and certainly not S&L.

IMO a very scarce 57er piece has been destroyed in order to make it pass as a wartime piece.

Adding snapshots of this 57er Deschler piece ( pix courtesy of member Mbizy ).

Grtz
Mathijs

[Kev G]

Thanks Mathijs and all - great piece of information, I guess I will stay away from this one!

This board is always reliable - that's amazing

[Andreas Klein]

Hi Kev,

just for the records: the twisted needle on my cross was not factory made ... it was twisted by it's owner - a german pilot -. You will see this twisting sometimes on flight clasps too.

[Rich G]

Was this 1957 version made by Deschler? The wreath appears the same as the 1941 model, as do the rivet style.

Rich