Knights Cross opinions wanted

[Luft62]

Sorry about the quality of these pics but they are the best I can get for the time being.
Hopefully they are good enough to get a general idea about this RK and possibly pick a known good one or repro version.
It is unmarked - either on the rear of the cross or on the suspension loop.

Thanks, Tim

[ChrisJ]

RK

Hi Tim,
As you say the pictures are not good, but sorry, I dont like this one at all !
Regards,
Chris

[Mohawkwarrior]

Allright,so lets hear the reasons why you do not like it.

[Dave Kane]

Good day all! The box and ribbon I feel (strongly) to be post war. The box does not show the quality of an original nor are there the parallel lines we look for in this style case. The ribbon shows the white 'binding' thread along the outer edges..not war time!
Now, the cross is another story...it sure resembles a S&L in many ways but unfortunately the angles and photos are not good. It has a nice straight line under the ring and the swaz appears broad....might be???!!
John

[ChrisJ]

Pictures?

Can you send some more (clearer) pictures Tim....
Regards,
ChrisJ

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi Tim.....

.....with those images it just isn't possible to really make any kind of opinion, good or bad. It is tough enough trying to make opinions from imagery as it is. My advice is to send in some larger, clearer shots from a variety of angles. You need to give it a chance to be seen with clarity.

Take a look at some of the other threads running and you'll be able to see what kind of images to submit.

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Bruce

[Luft62]

Thanks all for all of your responses so far.

I am in the process of trying to obtain better pics of the obverse and reverse of this RK.

I am also of the opinion that the case and the ribbon are definately not the items that originally came with the RK itself - most likely much later obtained so as to make the RK "complete".

Thanks John for pointing out the white edging on the ribbon - I hadn't noticed that... it certainly wipes out the ribbon as far as any claim to originality goes.
Also, what do you mean by "parallel lines we look for in this style of case " ?

I will post the new pics as soon as I can get them.

Regards and thanks,
Tim

[Bill Gracie]

G'day John,

Could you please expand on the Term:

The ribbon shows the white 'binding' thread along the outer edges..not war time!

I'm not sure what your talking about as ribbons and crosses are not my area of collecting.

Your help in pointing out the white binding thread would be appreciated

Regards,
Bill

[Dave Kane]

White thread and Para lines!

Original ribbon has a well scalloped edging to it similar to ^^^^^ but much more rounded! Post war ribbon was made in a different manner and had to be 'bound' at the edges to stop the ribbon threads from parting. Look at the lower right portion of the ribbon pictured and you can just make out this 'binding' white thread.

The parallel lines are those that are decorative in nature and run along the top and side edges of original boxes. They are typically 2-3mm from the respective edge.

John

[Luft62]

Sorry, but the extra pictures I have received are not much better than those I have posted (see example below). I do not believe this is any sort of attempt to make positive identification harder, just a poor quality digital camera being used under artifical light.

In regards to what appears to be the white edging on the ribbon, this has turned out to be not the case. What can be just seen in the picture is part of the thin ribbon length (red, white, black) that is mixed up with the main ribbon.

I am yet to confirm it, but it appears that this RK is devoid of markings - no silver content markings on either the upper arm or the ribbon loop.

I'd be very interested to get opinions on unmarked RK's - possible manufacturers, period made or even simply genuine or not.

John; are the lines on the boxes on all boxes? Or are they only on the "sharp corner" type boxes?

Regards,
Tim

[Dave Kane]

Tim..I have found them on both. I have also seen some 'supposed' 57 boxes of good quality without the decorative lines but these had a 'humped' appearance to the case top and very obviously not pre'45!

Man you're killing me with those pics Tell the guy to go outside and shoot some.

As for the little 'tie ribbon' I sure don't like that! That combo seems to be a modern invention!!!
John