EK1 D.R.G.M. SB Paul Meybauer WW2 Edition ??? Help needed !!!

[5tefan]

Hi EK1 Commodity ;-)

I know that there are 1939 Schinkel EK1 with D.R.G.M. 653146 SB existing.
I saw that the Deutsche Reich Gebrauch Muster have a copy right guarantee of 10 years only!

Is this EK1 1914 build from 1930 - 1940 ???
If yes, is it a 1914 WW2 Edition EK1?

[Von Eisen]

I cant see your pics, but if it looks like this example its a WW2 cross

[ben bijker]

Stefan, I may be completely wrong, but I don't like the cross.
Although the aging and patina look very convincing, I don't see a Meybauer ek.

Core and frame are definitely not the same as on known originals (like the one Simon is showing) and the shape of the frame is very uneven.
It reminds me of the Latvian Schinkels.

I know these screws are faked very well, and the backplates to.
Sometimes you can buy them on ebay.

I would have passed on this one.

ben

[streptile]

I don't see a Meybauer ek.

Hi Ben,

I agree with you, this one is not a Meybauer! It is usually called a Meybauer from the reverse hardware.

We have discussed these quite a bit in Imperial. My personal opinion is that it is a 100% good EK1 from the 1920s and probably by Godet. I'm not sure if it was made by J. Godet or Gebrüder Godet.

HERE is a good thread.

[Von Eisen]

Hmmm, Ben and Trev, so you can see Stefans pics ? ... wonder why I cant view them

[fabri-online]

I know this cross well as it was mine. It 's 100% original and hard to find.
I didn't remember that probably it 's a Godet but I agree as there is that so nice pinback example marked Godet.
But I disagree when was sayd it has a wrong disc, there are other crosses exactly identical (and not just this couple)
so in my opinion they can be enconoutered with 2 different discs.

[Douglas 5]

I have a regular Godet EK2 with the same frame as Stefan's but a different core .

Douglas

[ben bijker]

Hi Ben,

I agree with you, this one is not a Meybauer! It is usually called a Meybauer from the reverse hardware.

We have discussed these quite a bit in Imperial. My personal opinion is that it is a 100% good EK1 from the 1920s and probably by Godet. I'm not sure if it was made by J. Godet or Gebrüder Godet.

HERE is a good thread.

Thanks for the link, Trev.
Wow,I never thought the were delivered like this, this must have been hand-filed on monday morning.
The flange is so uneven it immediately reminded me of the Latvian Schinkels.

Well, good for Stefan that I was wrong, and I have learnt something (again)!

It never stops.....

ben

@simon: if you still haven't seen the pics, drop me a PM with your e-mail addy and I will send them to you.

[5tefan]

Many Thanks for your feedback ;-)

I saw a lot of new information about this D.R.G.M. disc.

I have two questions.
1.) I saw that the Deutsche Reich Gebrauch Muster have a copy right guarantee of 10 years only! Is this EK1 1914 build from 1930 - 1940 ???
2.) I thought that the D.R.G.M. disc was only used by Paul Meybauer. Now I know, that there are some D.R.G.M. disc were used from Godet. Is it possible that Deumer use some disc as well? I had one EK1 in the past which does not seems to be reworked.

[streptile]

1.) I saw that the Deutsche Reich Gebrauch Muster have a copy right guarantee of 10 years only! Is this EK1 1914 build from 1930 - 1940 ???

No, that EK was built (in my opinion) between 1918 and 1930.

2.) I thought that the D.R.G.M. disc was only used by Paul Meybauer. Now I know, that there are some D.R.G.M. disc were used from Godet. Is it possible that Deumer use some disc as well? I had one EK1 in the past which does not seems to be reworked.

I don't know that Godet used this nut. I only suspect it. Also, I don't know Godet made this cross, I only suspect it. It is something that lacks definitive proof, although I believe it myself.

As for the D.R.G.M. "Schinkel," it is a recent fake. That, I know.