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The Assmann Schinkel
Last edited by Dietrich Maerz; 04-29-2013, 06:56 AM.Best regards,
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The Assmann Schinkel
Recently, a few people have asked about the EK Schinkel that has come to be called an Assmann. In particular, an EK1 was posted here. In that thread, the question was raised: how can we say who the maker is? I also received a PM from a fellow collector, to whom I promised a longer explanation "one day soon." This may not be soon, but here is a brief explanation of why I believe the maker of this cross, seen here below in its EK2 form, to be Assmann:Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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Holding these crosses in your hand, one next to the other, there can be, quite simply, no question that they were made by the same manufacturer -- one with a 1939 core, and one with a 1914 core. However, since few of you reading this will be holding them as you do so, I will detour a bit to demonstrate this fact.
For one thing, the frame is the same:Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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The measurements are the same.
The 1914 EK2 (top) and the Schinkel EK2 (bottom):
• 42.4mm (h) X 42.6mm (w)
• 42.5mm (h) X 42.6mm (w)
The materials are also the same. The frames are some kind of non-silver alloy, and the cores seem to be thin stamped metal (these exist both magnetic and non magnetic in both 1914 and 1939 versions). Beyond this, the details of construction are the same. By this I mean, the soldering, the sloppiness of the frame strike, even the sloppiness of the design of the core details. The truth is, both these crosses are very poor quality -- the very bottom end of the spectrum of quality we see with Iron Crosses in our hobby.
The weight is virtually the same, and the minor differences can be attributed to the differences in the core designs, with the 1914 core having substantially more raised detail (oakleaves, crowns, cyphers):Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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This is especially notable since the weight is extremely low for an EK2. Most three-piece EK2s are around 19 or 20g. To find one under 16g is very unusual, and to find one below 12g. is, in my experience, virtually unknown -- except these two types. This simply can not be a coincidence.
Further similarities can be seen in the hardware choices available for the EK1 versions of this type. The 1914 version can be found with a fairly distinctive pin:Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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Of note is that the first class versions of this Schinkel also share roughly the same surprisingly low weight, measurements, etc., with their 1914 counterparts -- just exactly as the second class versions do.
As a side note, the design of the dates, while not identical (obviously, as they are different cores), are similarly weird. The tortured numbers, the high "3":Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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As I said at the beginning of this little comparison section, no one who holds these two crosses in their hand could possibly doubt that they are made by the same maker. They are so weird, so different from any other EK we know, and so similar to one another, that no other conclusion is possible. But I hope that by enumerating the similarities, and showing some specifications and photos, this has also become clear to those who do not themselves own both types.
The only real difference I have observed between the 1914 versions and the 1939 Schinkel versions is the fact that there exist real silver versions of the 1914 EK1 that I have not encountered with the 1939 Schinkels, all of which seem to be of non-silver alloy. Incidentally, I believe the 1914 type shown above to be from the 1920s or 1930s. Offering two different choices of material (silver or alloy) was fairly common in that period and can be seen in many catalogues, and indeed on many different EKs of the same type.
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So, now that we have established that both these crosses were made by the same maker (if you're with me so far), the only question that really remains is, who made them?
My first thought was Friedrich Linden, Lüdenscheid. I believed this because I was in possession of a scan of the FLL catalogue that seems to show this exact core:Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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However, it soon became clear to me that multiple makers used this same core, and that a passing similarity to a catalogue photo would unfortunately not be sufficient to assign a maker with certainty.
One of the other makers, for example, who shows a very similar type of EK, is Assmann (Assmann used two different core types for their EKs. In their catalogue, the EK with the same core as my EK2 happens to be the EK1. But this is unimportant, as both cores were used in both classes for this type of EK) :Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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As I looked closer at this photo, I noticed that the EK in the Assmann catalogue shows a very peculiar feature. The trimming die that cuts the outermost edge of the cross shape has slightly different proportions from the beading rim. This creates an interesting asymmetrical shape to one of the flanges. I will try to show what I mean with some montages below.Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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As can be seen, this same asymmetrical flange is present on both the 1914, and the 1939 Schinkel, versions of this cross. In fact this lack of symmetry between the beading rim and the outer edge of the flange exists (in both the catalogue photo and the actual crosses) in greater or lesser degrees on more than one arm:Best regards,
Streptile
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This made me suspect even more that the cross in question could have been made by Assmann.
Now, at this point, I did not yet own the EK2 that I have been using in these illustrations. So I began looking for one so I could do some in-hand comparisons with my Schinkel. After about four months of constant looking on eBay and dealer's sites, my patience was rewarded with a cross that had the right core, the correct uneven flange, and the correct sloppy look. I bought it and waited, eager to test the weight, and make some precise measurements. When it arrived, the weight, the measurements, and the overall "feel" of the cross was a dead match to my Schinkel. This much, I expected.
What I did not expect was a mark. But sure enough, the ring was marked with a very small "A", the presumed Weimar-era mark for maker Assmann:Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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Now I became even more convinced. But there were a few more surprises yet.
While I knew what the photos in the Assmann catalogue looked like, I had so far neglected to actually read the text. As I mentioned before, this particular type of EK1 comes with two different types of fittings -- pinback and two-piece screwback -- and the 1914 versions come in non-silver alloy and silver. A quick look in the Assmann catalogue shows the types that Assmann offered:Attached FilesBest regards,
Streptile
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