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[Dan46]

What's the opinion on this one?
Dan46

[streptile]

Souval cross. That's about all that can be said with certainty, in my opinion.

[Wik]

Souval cross. That's about all that can be said with certainty, in my opinion.

You mean in regards to it being potentially post-war, Trevor?

[CMSgt]

L/58

There are opinions that Souval with the die flaw (top arm) two beads joined together (left side) was war time but there is nothing deffent on this as all Souvals are suspect. If you do a search for Souval you will find a discussion on them. Jim

[Dan46]

Yes;that's what I mean.Is good or fake?
Dan46

[CMSgt]

Ek

It is not a fake, read this article and you will hopefully get your answer http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthread.php?t=143349. Jim

[Dan46]

Thanks Guys for the great info.I got the cross today at the auction for $90 bucks.
Dan46

[George Stimson]

For 90 dollars you're not bad off.

[streptile]

For 90 dollars you're not bad off.

True.

[magnusmilitaria]

worn but good one!

[streptile]

I am curious about this. To those who say it's a good one: how can you tell? My understanding is that Souval produced without interruption well past the end of the war. What distinguishes a wartime cross from a postwar cross, and why?

[ben bijker]

is the core magnetic?

[Dan46]

Yes

[George Stimson]

That's a good question, Trevor. Maybe it would be more accurate to call this kind of Souval a "wartime-type" EK. I mean, if there is no difference between Souvals made before and after May of 1945, then there's no difference -- except for the time factor.
That said, I understand (and perhaps not correctly) that there are post-war Souval EKs that are definitely different in style than these. Is anyone else aware of these who can post pics?
(Souval EKs are a gray area, to be sure....)

[streptile]

Hi George,

Thanks for your reply. Here is a picture of Souval's known postwar frame (first photo). The problem, as you mentioned, is that Souval didn't adopt this frame in June of 1945. For a long time, perhaps many years, they continued to use their traditional wartime frame, or wartime frame dies, to make EKs after the war.

There is one single core that I have never seen used on a cross with the postwar frame, or postwar reverse hardware, or postwar marks. In fact I've only ever seen it in Souvals of the highest quality, often marked 98. It is also (I think) the core traditionally associated with Maria Schenkl 27. For me, personally, I don't buy any Souval without this core type, since it's the only one I have real faith in as of this moment. Everything else, to me, is on a case-by-case basis. The second photo below shows this core in a 98 marked EK2.