'1939' bar, fault?

[tinmantis]

Hi Gentlemen,
I'd like your opinion on this bar. Marked L/12
I've not seen a 'abnormality' like this before. (the blob on the left-side wing)
It seems to be a manufacturing error.
With all the interest with the S+L die flaw, I'd like to find out how common imperfect bars like this are.
It looks as if it was created in manufacturing, as the edges are frosted, and the top polished. (if you look through the grime!)
Any other examples out there?
jon

[tinmantis]

Hmmmm, I can't seem to attach the pic!
sorry that this is such a basic problem, can anyone give me advice on attachments...?

[tinmantis]

Doh!

Can I send the pic to anyone who can attach it for me?

[François SAEZ]

To me

fsaez@noos.fr

Please note, becoming a member ($20/year will allow you to post as many pics you want + many other advantages: be able to sell on e-stand, have access to the images gallery............

François

[François SAEZ]

Jon, the link you sent is not working, can you send a .jpg image, please

François

[François SAEZ]

Here we go

[Stijn David]

Hello,


Welcome Tinmantis on the Forum

Now the somehow bad news , in my opinion this is a fake bar , i have never seen such a crude mistake on any german award , it seems to me that the feathers of the wings are not quite correctly centered , one wing is slightky higher positioned then the other ( look at the point where these feathers are touching the legs of the eagle !!! )

Another point of concern is the eagle's head , the beak seems to be cut of or something ? , these are just very general observations and in my opinion they are pointing in the direction of a fake.

Any possibility's to show the reverse ? , im interested in how the prongs are attached to this bar !!!

Friendly Greetings,

[François SAEZ]

here is the back

[tinmantis]

Hi,
thanks for having a look
I too haven't seen such a mistake on such an award.
It is a bit battered, and at first I thought maybe it was a period repair, as it looked like a weld or something.
I think the beak can be explained by hard wearing. As for the wing at the bottom being slightly 'higher', I think that maybe the cutting die could have been off centre? The top of the right side shows an excess of metal...

Hopefully our friend François will be attaching a pic of the reverse for us, where you will see the prongs. The left prong is missing, and I didn't want to bend the bottom prongs off the ribbon in case they broke...

A couple of dealers have given it the thumbs up, after close magnification. And of course, it was purchased from a well respected source. But I do have an attitude of zero-tolerance, and more opinions are gratefully welcomed!
thanks
jon

[Stijn David]

Spange ek 2

Hello,


Yeps just as i suspected , the prongs are made out of a long strip of metal soldered on the reverse ( this strip forms on both sides two prongs ( see the picture ) ) instead of four seperate prongs soldered on the reverse as can be found on originals.
This is a characteristic that can be found on copies of this kind of spange.

For me defenatly a NONO .

Greetings,

[George Stimson]

I agree

This Spange has too much going against it.

George

[Gordon Williamson]

Whilst I agree that this particular Spange looks pretty dodgy, the type of fixing where two strips of metal are soldered along the central portion and the ends bent up to form four prongs is perfectly legitimate on some original pieces (Meybauer for one)and is in itself not necessarily an indication of a fake though I agree many fakes have this feature.

Gordon

[tinmantis]

Has no-one seen an original L/12 with prongs like these?
Actually, it would help me alot if a few other spange pics could be posted
all info gratefully received
jon

[Eric Stahlhut]

Welcome, Jon!

Francois has a very good point about the paltry sum needed to become an Association Member. In the long run, you will benefit greatly!

Anyhow, here's an unmarked example...

[Eric Stahlhut]

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