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    Junckers RK relative numbers

    I have been re-reading the section on Junckers RKs in Gordon Williamson's book and have questions regarding the time of appearance and relative scarcity of Jucnkers RKs. It seems as though he says the unmarked Neusilber crosses were the earliest, followed by silver 800 stamped only crosses. However, with the banning of private RK purchase, all the L/12s had to be turned over. The period of time for the L/12s would have been relatively short, making them presumably less common than an unmarked neusilber or 800 silver Jucnkers. The production of the 800 stamped would have had to continued through 1944, which, if I read it forrectly, the crosses were then stamped witht the lazy 2. However, the dies were lost in bombing in 1944, making the duration of lazy 2 production short.


    Thus I ask those who have alot more knowledge, what do you consider the least to most common Junckers RK?

    L/12? Lazy 2? unmarked neusilber? 800 stamped with magnetic core? 800 stamped with non-magnetic core? Does this effect their relative value in the market? What is the value of a lazy 2 relaitve to an L/12 vs unmarked? Any information would be great. Thanks
    Last edited by tom hansen; 04-15-2004, 08:35 PM.
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    Tom, good question so I'll jump in!


    There are issues such as quality and popularity which really distort the view....and then the awarded or bought thought!

    A Juncker cross no matter when made IMHO fall within a very narrow area and if offered I'd be hard pressed to pass up!


    Dave
    Regards,
    Dave

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      #3
      Thanks Dave. No one else? I guess I would think the L/12 to be less common and the unmarked Junckers to be the most common. Is that correct? Why was it from 1941-1944 before they started marking the Jucnkers cross with a "2"?

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        #4
        I seem to have seen more L/12 marked than '2' with the unmarked being the rarest IMO.

        Rich
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          #5
          To my opinion:

          Decreasing in rarity:

          neusilber without markings, micro 2, 800 L/12 + suspension loop marked 800 L/12 ,dot, 800 dot, lazy 2,L/12 800, 800 L/12
          Pieter.
          Last edited by Pieter Verbruggen; 04-16-2004, 11:45 AM.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Pieter Verbruggen
            To my opinion:

            Decreasing in rarity:

            neusilber without markings, micro 2, 800 L/12 + suspension loop marked 800 L/12 ,dot, 800 dot, lazy 2,L/12 800, 800 L/12
            Pieter.
            Thanks Pieter. That is quite clear now. Thanks again.

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              #7
              I seem to miss the early only marked 800 Juncker. Where does this fine RK fits in the list?

              Pascal

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                #8
                Originally posted by Pascal
                I seem to miss the early only marked 800 Juncker. Where does this fine RK fits in the list?

                Pascal
                I am missing the difference between lazy 2 laying on face or on backside

                Mathias

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pascal
                  I seem to miss the early only marked 800 Juncker. Where does this fine RK fits in the list?

                  Pascal
                  ...after the 800 dot.
                  Pieter.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by M. Zimmer
                    I am missing the difference between lazy 2 laying on face or on backside

                    Mathias
                    This is a difference hard to judge which one is rarer than the other as it is only a difference in how the 2 was stamped on to the frame.
                    Pieter.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pascal
                      I seem to miss the early only marked 800 Juncker. Where does this fine RK fits in the list?

                      Pascal
                      Pascal,
                      I think you and I agree that the early 800's are far more rare than any L/12's or Lazy 2's.
                      Roy

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pieter Verbruggen
                        ...after the 800 dot.
                        Pieter.
                        Thank you Pieter.

                        Originally posted by RKHunter
                        Pascal,
                        I think you and I agree that the early 800's are far more rare than any L/12's or Lazy 2's.
                        Roy
                        I certainly do Roy .
                        Pascal

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                          #13
                          Interesting thread, is anyone able to put dates on when Juncker changed thier markings?

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                            #14
                            That was part of my original question, Dez. I thought the unmarked neusilber were the first, followed by the 800 unmarked silver crosses. As from Gordon's book, the L/12 would have been stopped as far as production in 1941. This would allow the period of 1941-1944 for unmarked 800 Junckers to be made. If they started marking "2" in l944, yet the shop was bombed in '44, then this would be a rather short production time for the lazy 2 relative to the unmarked 800 stamped Junckers. Is this correct?

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                              #15
                              Yes indeed a very interesting thread. It would great to establish the dates of manufacturing for the different marks.

                              I am however under the impression that the "only 800" marked Juncker was only produced during a very short time at the beginning of the war. It was from the late 1940 replaced by the L/12 which was the LDO code for the Juncker firm. This also explains why these "only 800" pieces are rarer then most of the others.

                              Pascal

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