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    Cased R K real or fake

    Hi guys,


    Any opinions on this cased RK, the core is non magnetic. The cross originally came from a "Col. Dodkins Collection".

    The photos are the best I have at the moment but I should be able to post some more in the next few days.
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      Last edited by LES Y; 12-07-2010, 06:34 AM.

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        #4
        Not pre- May 1945, sorry!

        Dietrich
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          #5
          Would be nice to see better photos. Case and ribbon not promising.

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            #6
            As I was advised by member Grueni1208 (Daniel), the core has a strong resemblance to the one of the 3/4 ring. Also, it seems that the core is made of copper which would fit the 3/4 ring core.
            I am awaiting better scans.

            Dietrich
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              #7
              Not suggesting anything, but it would be VERY nice if we knew what Deumer was making in its shop and what, if anything, Deschler was up to.

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                #8
                Better pics as requested.
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                    #10
                    haha definately a 3/4 RK core.

                    Since 3/4 RK were also used in post 45 war movies i am curious if they (in some cases) also were post-war assmembled....

                    Stefan

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                      #11
                      The hand workmanship is pretty poor. What is the core made from? Magnetic?

                      Bob Hritz
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                        Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
                        The hand workmanship is pretty poor. What is the core made from? Magnetic?

                        Bob Hritz
                        Copper

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                          #13
                          From these photos, the frame appears to be the S&L frame which has been dubbed the "C" type (having indications of a dent row, but no real "bridge flaw"). The core certainly does look like the 3/4 ring cores and from Les' report is made from copper, another link to that core type. I have never seen this combination before, but have seen "C" types paired with cores which may be Schickle.

                          As Bob noted, the finishing is not the best. Also, there is no apparent frosting. Of course, if you look at the earliest Juncker crosses, the same observations could be made.

                          My best guess is either a postwar assembled cross using leftover cores (which were somehow available to the assembler) or some previously unknown prior use of a "C" frame by a manufacturer who either acquired cores and parts from others, or was already involved somehow in the production of the 3/4 ring and Schickle.

                          The late Col. Dodkins was a pioneer in this field, had very good connections, and started assembling his collection before the war was even over.

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                            #14
                            Another cross of this exact type may be seen in Vern Bowen's second book from 2000 (collection of Vol. I and a newly printed Vol II) on p. 231. Bowen records that the cross belongs to Walther K. Nehring, but the text is unclear about whether it was acquired during the war, or after.
                            Best regards,
                            Streptile

                            Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                              Here are a couple of photos of items that come with the cross

                              1. Hand written note.
                              2. Description from Wallis and Wallis Auction catalogue.

                              This was an auction of the late Col Dodkins collection in 1987.
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