Spange maker marks

[Tiger88]

Hello all!

One thing has been bugging me for some time Why don't you see
any Prasidialkanzlei nr. marked spanges? Where only unmarked ones awarded?
Or is it just that I missed them all?

Or did the recipient just get the urkunde and had to buy the LDO marked award themselves?

I shure there is a good reason, I just cant figure it out

Thanks for looking!

// Thomas

[CMSgt]

Spange

Hi Thomas

There are marked spanges, except for the majority of them are unmarked. For your other questions will have to wait on answers, maybe Jon has the answers. Jim

[tinmantis]

I shure there is a good reason, I just cant figure it out

Me either!
I've never seen a P.number on a spange, but I always think I should...
at least one!

regards
jon

[Tiger88]

It sure is a mystery. Thanks for looking Jon & Jim.
Let's see if someone else has an explanation for this.

// Thomas

[George Stimson]

Maybe all of the officially awarded pieces were given out before the institution of the PKZ numbering system?

[streptile]

Me either!
I've never seen a P.number on a spange, but I always think I should...
at least one!

regards
jon

I've seen a legitimate '3' marked Deumer SP1.

[tinmantis]

no way!

actually that rings a bell, have you shown a pic before?
regards
jon

[CMSgt]

3

no way!

actually that rings a bell, have you shown a pic before?
regards
jon

I sent you a link to one before, and we determined that it was bad. Jim

[Tiger88]

Maybe all of the officially awarded pieces were given out before the institution of the PKZ numbering system?
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George

Hi George!

From what I understand you could earn your EK right up to the end of the war.
So there must be millions awarded from 1941-45, as well as a considerable amount of spanges ( after the PKZ came into effekt ).

Here's another thought. Let's say you won the EK II in WWI, then you won it again in WWII, say 1943. Did you recive the EK, AND a spange? Or just the spange? Or just the EK, and had to buy the spange yourself?

Hope I dont bore you with my reasoning here

// Thomas

[George Stimson]

Thomas,

My supposition was based on this passage from a recently published book ():

"The number of delivered Spangen to the distributing units during the campaign in Poland are not only an example of the necessity of the award but are also a testament to the personnel structure of Hitler’s Wehrmacht. During the months of September to November 1939 a total of 1,806 First Class Spangen and 26,130 Second Class Spangen were distributed. These figures represent 54% of the numbers of total 1939 First Class crosses and 31% of the Second Class crosses awarded, and represent well the percentage of veterans of the Great War now fighting again, this time “für Führer und Vaterland.” The number of Spangen sent to the armed forces declined consistently after the first initial waves of combat and basically reached zero after mid-1941. The official number of awards recorded by the Präsidialkanzlei by March of 1942 was 29,381 for the First Class and 102,225 for the Second Class. One can be fairly certain that these numbers represent very closely the final number of officially sent out Spangen of both classes."

Mid-1941 was likely before the institution of the PKZ, yes? Hence, my theory.

[Tiger88]

Hi George!

I knew you knew a lot about this! Since I know practically nothing I didn't follow your reasoning there. I thank you for the excellent information.
You're right, this could explain why there are no maker marks, other than LDO of course.
I'm going to buy that book you mentioned, as soon as I get my thumbs out of a certain place.

// Thomas

[streptile]

no way!

actually that rings a bell, have you shown a pic before?
regards
jon

Hi Jon

In all my files I can't find it... Sorry.

[tinmantis]

loose lips sinks ships!

look at this stinker today:
regards
jon

[tinmantis]

if someone had done their research it should've been a '4'

[streptile]

if someone had done their research it should've been a '4'

Same? I swear I can't tell a Deumer from an S&L.