2 Dotted DKiGs for Reference

[Dietrich Maerz]

Evidence, which came to light in the last months (and was published in the International Medal Collector magazine) plus latest findings are for me indisputable evidence that the "dotted" Zimmermanns are pre May 1945.

Dietrich

[Leroy]

[magnusmilitaria]

nice DK's ! First its funny marked by MM20 from both sides on one place!
Best Regards
Mark

[Ojoneso]

Hello,

questions.

we have here 2 different crosses.

May be the second is ok.

(i dont know . the dotted question is not me!
i collect only DK what are free from questions)

but what i think is this.

the first Dk is an light 20 .
we have here no flaw of 11 clock. no flaw on the left in the Lorbeerkranz.
a very difficult stamp.

ok my opinion after this is.

Zimmermann have 2 different -Lorbeerkarnze-
why??
one is a Lorbeerkranz incl. the flaw on the left 1941 and is dotted the 1941

the other Lorbeerkranz is not dotted and ALL other DK from maker 20 have a flaw on the left site from 1941.??
and the latest DK get more flaw´s :

on lorbeerkranz 3 clock, flaw on 9 and so on.
But here is a lorbeerkranz is out of work!
No flaws -nothing-
But is a light and later Dkig from 20.
i have (till now!!) never seen an original light 20 without the flaw on the left 1941 and the flaw on 11 Clook.

And we have double Birthday.



@ Dietrich you wrote :

Evidence, which came to light in the last months -plus- latest findings....

what are the -plus- latest findings and the Evidence?




Second and inmortend question is for my self.
can anybody show me a light 20 withtout the flaw on 11 clock on the
Lorbeerkranz.



AM: the Lorbeerkarnz from dotted 20 is only product for the dotted 20?
Is not from a other marker(21,2 ,1 )
is not the typical Zimmermann Lorbeerkranz with flaw on left and 3 clock(by later DKig)

and you mine 20 had make a Lorbeerkranz only for the dotted?
or is this the early`st Lorbeerkranz what is free from all flaw´s?

Best Rg
Seb

[Ojoneso]

Hello

had zimmerman

two different -Lorbeerkranz-
One for the dotted DKs ( free from flaws)
And one for all other DKs ( flaw on Left 1941 and other)

can anybody post a late DK 20 without flaw on 11clock
Best rg
Seb

[Dietrich Maerz]

Sebastian,
It makes no sense to complain that no answer comes after 10 hours and it makes even less sense to complain in a forum in Germany where 99.99999% have no idea what you are talking about ...(my excuse is that i was on a plane to germany and i hope that it was acceptable.)
The ONLY part of a dotted cross different to a regular Zimmermann is the wreath so you can look for the typical wreath flaws until the cows come home.
All this is explained in detail in my book and expanded on in the vol1,no2 of our magazine and will be even more in the upcoming one. I hope you understand that i do not post and repost again what should be by now the status of the research for interested people.
Maybe someone at MMF has my book ...

Dietrich

[Darrell]

I was likely the first to bring these to light back in September 2004. Until that time no one had seen (or noticed) one or even knew of their existence.

However a specific "expert" went out of his way to prove these were Post 45, even to the point of being obsessed with vendettas.

"Specific" people (they shall remain nameless ) were slammed, ridiculed, called names and made the focal point of entire threads on other websites.

Funny that same individual eventually got banned from WAF (imagine that ). I've said from the get go the construction of these warranted a more "scientific" approach rather than classifying them as fakes because they were "different".

Over the last year yet more information has surfaced (including more examples) that bring a more positive than negative light to these crosses.

I'll fess up and admit when I'm wrong. I can guarantee you he won't.

[Ojoneso]

Hello Dietrich,

i think is not the once (the flaw on Kranz.)

can you say ,
why have one (or more) dotted Dk the 11 clock flaw
and a other dk don´t have him.
The -Kranz- is like all othe -Kränze- but no flaws.

were these pieces produced with 2 different tools?
or a new tool for the Kranz AND later a new tool for the "star"?

I think you mean the Lorbeerkranz was a new tool
short before the war was to end?
And the same for the "Star"

my text after 10 hours was a staytment not -a complain-
all is god Dietrich i have only questions.

and i like to learn in my hobby.


if i had speek whit old collectors nobody know this.
All say i have never seen on from this.
Had anybody seen a late light 20 without the flaw on 11 clock?
You Dietrich?

Best Regards from germany
Sebastian

AM: or is the dotteed DK producted before the light 20er came?

[dc9]

Hello All,

Just received my first issue (Volume 1, Number 4) of International Medal Collector and turned right to the article titled "The 'Dotted' German Cross More New Findings" where there is excellent photographic confirmation of a 'Schloss Klessheim' Dotted DKiG find in it's original cellophane packaging and case.

Great magazine! I look forward to receiving my back issues.

I am glad these type discussions on dotted DKs can be more or less put to rest. (My dotted DKiG looks great among it's bretheren ).

Eric