round '3' EK2's beading flaws...

[Biro]

Can anyone theorise as to why so many round 3 ek2's seem to have such horrendous beading flaws - particularly to the lower six o'clock arm...

Many members here appear to favour these as 'early' - so why all the action on the beading????

Of course, it's hard to search for info on these when you can't use '3' as a target word, so I'm probably missing half the picture..

Cheers...

(an example...but for more, check out the 6 or 7 examples on Kai Winklers site!..)

[George Stimson]

My Second Class is okay but my First Class has a few flaws on the top of the 12 o'clock arm and on the upper edge of the 9 o'clock.

[Dave Kane]

Biro I can't comment on your question with anything other than speculation....but I wonder too why there appears to be so many of these and ofcourse Iron Crosses in particular! Is it supply and demand?


Damn nice Knight's Cross.....I have only now visited your page!!

Dave

[George Stimson]

Dave

How many is many? According to The Iron Time there were 4.5 million EK 2s awarded during WW 2. And according to the "EK Statistics" thread in die Kneipe the members of this Forum only have 1150 of those. That leaves quite a few unaccounted for. And it's not surprising that some of those "lost" 4,498,850 EKs might turn up on dealers' sites.

[Eric Stahlhut]

How many is many? According to The Iron Time there were 4.5 million EK 2s awarded during WW 2.

Not to mention the duplicates that soldiers purchased....

[George Stimson]

That's right! There were a lot of these made!

[Dave Kane]

George I think that has been the 'stock' answer for years..however one must consider simple things such as tunics, trousers, caps etc. made by the millions that do not turn up as often as Iron Crosses!


Dave

[Eric Stahlhut]

George I think that has been the 'stock' answer for years..however one must consider simple things such as tunics, trousers, caps etc. made by the millions that do not turn up as often as Iron Crosses!


Dave

Clothing has always always been recycleable or adaptable for other purposes. Ever tried to recycle or adapt an Iron Cross?

[George Stimson]

Dave again

Clothing wears out. Metal doesn't -- not nearly as much, anyway.
(Besides, I don't even know if what you're saying about the availability of cloth items is true. How many uniforms, caps, cloth insignia, and other such items are also offered by dealers? I'll bet Kai Winkler is offering more cloth right now than EKs.)

[Airborne Nut]

Not that I am trying to add any fuel to this discussion, but think of human nature. Clothes wear out or the wearer grows weary of them and well, trash. I am sure most of us here have throw away or scrapped much of our old childhood baseball uniforms, etc... ...but the trophies no doubt most of us still have those.

I agree with George, it is very logical for clothes to get tossed, especially when they are tatty rags at the end of thier life, and the medals, well they would be something to hold on to.

For those who volunteered for the armed services, I could see why they would be driven to keep their uniforms, but I am sure there were many millions of soldiers that hated the war especially since they were conscripted into the army, etc... Who knows how these guys felt, but I am sure it was the case for a vast many that their Uniforms were tossed in favor of happier times.

Otherwise shouldn't there be millions upon millions of uniforms out there right now? Where are they all? I am sure a few million can be accounted for, but where are the rest? Long since disposed of?


Just my two Canadian Pennies!
-SHane

[Sonderkommando]

Biro,

The answer is pretty obvious when you use common sense.



Regards,
Brett

[Biro]

Biro,The answer is pretty obvious when you use common sense. Regards,Brett

Hi Brett....

I understand the implication your making (I think?) - though bare in mind this conjecture effects many of the Round 3 EK2's sold on the e-stand here VERY recently, and indeed many EK2's in general - not to mention the entire flawed S&L RK world (and lets not go there again)

My common sense tells me this is perhaps NOT the most rational explanation for flawed crosses, especially when all other identifiable features comply..but please, prove me wrong...

cheers...and whats up with them Warratahs??

[George Stimson]

other factors

Don't forget that nobody really knows what caused these flaws (cracked dies?), how strict quality control really was, or even how many EKs were made.

[Biro]

Don't forget that nobody really knows what caused these flaws (cracked dies?), how strict quality control really was, or even how many EKs were made.

Now THAT is a FACT!

[Sergey]

George I think that has been the 'stock' answer for years..however one must consider simple things such as tunics, trousers, caps etc. made by the millions that do not turn up as often as Iron Crosses!


Dave

Some time ago I also asked the question about originality and quantity of round 3 EKs. And I made a conclusion that nobody knows how many of this crosses were manufactured. So this type of EKs might be not so rare as many people think. It might be only an explanation for selling and nothing more else. I have only the question why most of these crosses in mint or near mint condition???????
P.S.
Dave about clothes I have my personal opinion. In some sourses I read that a lot of people continue wearing their uniform even after the war, because german industry was destroyed. All german captives continue wearing their uniform how you understand too. Plus clothes usually remains much worse than metal items. By mothes were destroyed a lot of clothes -I am sure that after the war nobody used such protective measures for keeping old uniforms as modern collectors. So now we dont have all these millions....