Souval EK 2 Threads Combined

[JerryW]

Obverse #2

[JerryW]

Reverse #1

[JerryW]

Reverse #2

[JerryW]

Date closeup #1

[JerryW]

Date closeup #2

[JerryW]

I can post closeups of the swazes, but I think everyone will get the point.

[Dez H]

Here is my unmarked piece:

[Dez H]

Reverse:

[stdub]

Back to the top to hear Georges opinion.

[George Stimson]

Sorry -- I got distracted!

I think you'd be safe in calling that a Souval.

[stdub]

I think you'd be safe in calling that a Souval.

that means a real one?

[George Stimson]

If you have the piece in hand, compare it to the examples in this thread: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=48365
If you think it matches, then you would be safe in calling it a "real" wartime Souval.

[stdub]

Thank you very much George!

[Kecon]

Some Souval EK1' also had centers that differed also. I seem to
recall a thread by Gordon W. some time back about this subject.
I have an unmarked Souval Ek1 with a brass center that differs
from that of my Souval L58 screwback. The difference can be
plainly seen, especially in the date. Rudy must have had a bunch
of different dies, he used.

Ken

[Sonderkommando]

First off I would like to thank everyone VERY much for contributing excellent pics of their Souval crosses.
Based on the pics of the maker marked Souval crosses, I can see a definate construction style of beading and core characteristics which seem typical of this manufacturer. Dates are level, no dipping numbers and the reverse has a very slight slant on the numerals.
The next pattern seems to feature a different core with very slanted numerals to the reverse date. Possibly the Souval frames were supplied to a smaller company who purchased them, and purchased the cores from a different source, and merely assembled the components for re-sale. This would explain why no EK's with Souval type frames and the slanted 1813 date to the reverse of the core have the Souval maker mark.
Interesting to note that some crosses with the Souval type frames have the dipping date which doesn't tie in with any other known pre-'45 cross yet ties in with the known post war crosses by Souval.
Thanks for your help guys, I now have a fair idea as to what to look for in an original Souval EK.

Regards,
Brett