The 'Odd EK2 with Ugly Date'.

[Adrian]

Here is another of the 'odd' EK2 variety with the ugly date I was fortunate to obtain recently. This cross is in very good condition with a decent amount of frosting retained on the frame.
Here are some pics, first up the latest addition.......

[Adrian]

Next is the cross I've had for a number of years.......

[Adrian]

Together.......

Both crosses are magnetic. The cross on the left appears to have a thicker coat of paint on the core as you can see by the difference in the swastikas.

[Adrian]

And finally next to a regular EK2 - S&L........

[fabri-online]

nice crosses Adrian.
This cross is so strange that sometims let me with some doubts..
but seems a good one, I think it 's a contemporary cross.
have someone just seen another one mounted on medal bars or single bar ?

[Adrian]

Thank you Fabri. I somewhat surprised at the lack of discussion on these crosses. They're generally accepted as an original and an unusual variant but compared to the Schinkels, Round three and Ubergrosse crosses which are all (in their own way) variations on a theme and have their own questions surrounding them, there is little collector brainstorming.
If this type of cross was made prior to May 1945 they are a very rare variant and yet they seem to be brushed aside in discussion terms.

[streptile]

nice crosses Adrian.
This cross is so strange that sometims let me with some doubts..
but seems a good one, I think it 's a contemporary cross.
have someone just seen another one mounted on medal bars or single bar ?

Hi guys,

I have seen this type mounted on a bar. I also believe it to be a period piece.

I think the reason they don't get as much attention as the others is that (as far as we know) it is not a real variant per se (something that was so different from the mandated design that it had to be abandoned or changed, like a Schinkel or a R-3, or a 1. Pattern Spange), but rather just one maker's distinct design.

I do like it and would love to have one myself.

[fabri-online]

guys

thanks for your replies. Trevor, interesting info, so if the bar was intouched it means that the cross is contemporary. Good !

[streptile]

if the bar was intouched it means that the cross is contemporary. Good !

Yes, if so, you are correct. That bar was sold by Markus Schulze within the past 2 or 3 months. Did someone here buy it? The cross was listed as a Juncker piece, which I think is wrong, but it was certainly the same cross as we see here, on a good looking bar.

[Douglas 5]

Remember this one Adrian :
The same core as is in one of yours is found with yet another frame .

Douglas

[streptile]

The same core as is in one of yours is found with yet another frame .

Hi Douglas,

If you have any photos of this core in another frame, please post them! I am very curious to see them.

[Douglas 5]

Grueni1208 posted that Schinkel B comparison a few months back . I think Adrians frames are different ?
Will see if I got anymore pictures with that core .

Douglas

[Adrian]

I think the reason they don't get as much attention as the others is that (as far as we know) it is not a real variant per se (something that was so different from the mandated design that it had to be abandoned or changed, like a Schinkel or a R-3, or a 1. Pattern Spange), but rather just one maker's distinct design.

Hi Trevor, Thank you for your reply.
That is of course true, I didn't perhaps put my point across very well. I mean that we spend alot of time discussing known makers and variants of their crosses and yet we have an completely unknown cross from an unknown maker, a rare cross, which doesn't seem to get as much forum time as many of the other EK2s.
I realise the 'unknown' part of the above may be a reason we don't discuss this type but it would be good to knock our heads together and try to put a few ideas together regarding the origins of this EK.

Remember this one Adrian :
The same core as is in one of yours is found with yet another frame .

Douglas

Hello Douglas,
Yes I do recall seeing the pic before, I've added one of my 'Odd' crosses over the Schinkel 'B' to compare the frame against the unknown cross. There are some differences but also some similarities, noticeably the cross hatching on the upper left inner corner. Was there a thread discussing these crosses?

[Douglas 5]

Adrian :
Probably 8 or 10 months ago Grueni posted this one - as a Schinkel B some one had posted - was being looked at , just to indicate that a different - standard flat head 3 - core was made . I had seen the core like yours 3 or more times befor that posting back then - but passed on them thinking the cross was a fake . Still looking if I saved pictures of them or not .

Douglas

[streptile]

Probably 8 or 10 months ago Grueni posted this one - as a Schinkel B some one had posted - was being looked at , just to indicate that a different - standard flat head 3 - core was made .

Hi Douglas,

I'm not sure I understand -- what do you mean by "a different - standard flat head 3 - core was made"?

The crosses in Grüni's photo have no parts in common, do they?