Maker I.D. Please

[blutundehre]

Hi Again to all,
I have one more cross that I can not figure out and could use a little help.
The retaining ring is only soldered on the reverse as well.
I appreciate your help.
Thanks in advance.
Dave
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[blutundehre]

Possibly an educated guess on this one ?

[blutundehre]

Trevor or Robert, your help would be very much appreciated and valued.

[Robert P.]

We find this frame design and core on many 1939 EKII's, so it's very hard to make an accurate identification on it. S&L, for one, supplied various makers with their frames, and very possibly their cores. The best I could give this cross is the word 'standard' design.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Perhaps someone else will help identify it for you.

Regrets,
Robert

[blutundehre]

We find this frame design and core on many 1939 EKII's, so it's very hard to make an accurate identification on it. S&L, for one, supplied various makers with their frames, and very possibly their cores. The best I could give this cross is the word 'standard' design.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Perhaps someone else will help identify it for you.

Regrets,
Robert

Please Robert, no regrets or apologies needed. I am indeed thankful for your response. Sometimes mysteries go unsolved and I thank you for your best guess.
In your opinion though does it look like an S&L frame or core? The retaining ring again is only soldered to the reverse and has heavily filed corners. It does seem to be a lot "thicker" than S&L frames, but I will take some measurements today to give a little more info to work off of. Thank you again for the help. This was the first cross I ever got some 10 years ago and it came with a Brehmer packet ( mismatched of course ) so it's not the end of the world if it goes unidentifiable, but it is nice to know what I have.
Thanks again for everyones help.
Dave

[Robert P.]

I'm going to put my neck way out here - it may be an S&L product. The frame looks S&L. There are flaws on the 3:00 arm, the 1939 date has round 'balls' on the lower portions of the 3 and 9's (S&L's 1st core), the top of the 3 in 1939 looks like a 1st core S&L. I'm going to get hammered on this I know, but it's the best I can do with your photos.

Robert

[blutundehre]

I'm going to put my neck way out here - it may be an S&L product. The frame looks S&L. There are flaws on the 3:00 arm, the 1939 date has round 'balls' on the lower portions of the 3 and 9's (S&L's 1st core), the top of the 3 in 1939 looks like a 1st core S&L. I'm going to get hammered on this I know, but it's the best I can do with your photos.

Robert

Hi Robert,
I hope you don't get hammered on this as your just doing me a favor and I appreciate it. I don't know the first thing about cores and haven't even figured out frames all that well yet either. I haven't been able to get measurements yet, but will do so tomorrow. Thanks again for taking your time to help me with this.
All the best.
Dave

[streptile]

Hi Dave,

I would say "standard design," too. There may be small signs that could point to a possible maker -- the rounded outer corners is where I'd start looking. Which other makers used S&L parts and filed these corners? It could provide you with a guess.

[Danny70]

'123' (Beck, Hassinger & Co.) used this feature (rounded outer corners),
but I can't remember off-hand if they used S&L parts....

[blutundehre]

'123' (Beck, Hassinger & Co.) used this feature (rounded outer corners),
but I can't remember off-hand if they used S&L parts....

That's what I was leaning towards, but I can't find one with a 3 o'clock frame flaw. It looks like they used at least S&L cores, but then again cores still get me all confused and disoriented. I spent the last hour searching WAF and I see some that match the frame and core, but the retaining ring is thinner, and some that have rounded corners, but not the flaw and some that look like they have the same frame and ring and corners, but different core. I've been staring at crosses so long I think the outline of a cross is burned into my vision, I think I better take a break.
Thanks for all the help Nick and Dan and really everyone who is taking the time to help me with this. You guys are great.
Dave