Help on cased Deschler DKiG

[Ojoneso]

The DK in itself looks good.
Was spoken of the experts in another forum, nevertheless, already than original.
the same Pictures ?
And now we have a problem?
I don´t understand this.


I ask myself only one and perhaps we can clear here immediately.

How many tools did Deschler have for the wreaths?
If they watch to themselves 10 rivets 6 rivets DKs in silver gold or also 2 types of 4 rivets.
2 different 4 show all DK.
Once 4 has a line him goes on, once the line simply stops like with this DK.
However, otherwise, the wreath in itself is completely same!!

This allows to believe me the Deschler always 2 tools for the wreaths must have had.
Once with the line after 4 and completely resemble without this.
Of course the wreaths with the type differ. (with the time and the type DK in himself)
But this is always same!!

why?
If you wish I show you with pleasure my examples.

or is this even normally?

This question is importend for my

Sebastian

[Cook]

The DK in itself looks good.
Was spoken of the experts in another forum, nevertheless, already than original.
the same Pictures ?
And now we have a problem?
I don´t understand this.

I ask myself only one and perhaps we can clear here immediately.

How many tools did Deschler have for the wreaths?
If they watch to themselves 10 rivets 6 rivets DKs in silver gold or also 2 types of 4 rivets.
2 different 4 show all DK.
Once 4 has a line him goes on, once the line simply stops like with this DK.
However, otherwise, the wreath in itself is completely same!!

This allows to believe me the Deschler always 2 tools for the wreaths must have had.
Once with the line after 4 and completely resemble without this.
Of course the wreaths with the type differ. (with the time and the type DK in himself)
But this is always same!!

why?
If you wish I show you with pleasure my examples.

or is this even normally?

Sebastian

WOW
If you the collector DK - a wreath Deschler one for all. This wreath - is not typical.
You think it not so? Show examples

[Dietrich Maerz]

I don't think that there were two dies for the wreath. Sometimes the "4" shows up different, maybe due to stronger/weaker strike or whatever influence. Other minute details seem to stay the same indicating the same die.
The is further substantiated IMHO since the remainder of the wreath does not show any difference at all. Experience with dies - especially the ones that were in use for high numbers - that one has to allow for certain deviations in the definition.

[Dietrich Maerz]

A look at the nice shows the same features on both dates. I cannot find any differences between the two wreaths that would make me think that there are two wreath or that one of the wreath is even a fake. But that is only my opinion...

[Ojoneso]

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[Ojoneso]

Hello Dietrich,

it is not about a copie.!
And it is not important whether it one is!

Tomorrow I will put pictures from all types.
6 and 10 rivets are immediately to be treated they differ only from the rivets.
The statement some piece was simply stronger hit / punched would be an explanation
However, the different are too hard!
Then, however, the depth of the figures if the line is to be seen would have to be 1-2 mm deep min.?
However, this never is the case!
either he is there or not.

If it is OK I would like to indicate with pleasure with pictures and discuss.?

Sebastian

[Ojoneso]

WOW
If you the collector DK - a wreath Deschler one for all. This wreath - is not typical.
You think it not so? Show examples

I do not think the wreath is OK!
I have a problem with this line after 4 is not exists!!
But this is only my opinion.
And in a ohter Forum ´was sayed the wreath and the full DK is ok

[Dietrich Maerz]

Did you look at my pictures .....????

[Ojoneso]

Did you look at my pictures .....????

yes i did.
But i dont see is deeper or not.

You can say my,
how were the wreaths produced?
Nevertheless, the date was not hit.
So one could fix a difference to it.?
Partly the line is just to be seen not sometimes in the beginning.
And the depth of the date is same?

[Ojoneso]

Did you look at my pictures .....????

Hello Dietrich,

do you can say me,
how were the produced?
bzw. the Date in wreaths?

Thanks for your Pics and your Opinion!

Sebastian

[Dietrich Maerz]

The pictures were taken with a CCD camera trough a microscope.

[Ojoneso]

was the date with the hand hit or pressed with a sort of machine or was punched?


Greeting
Sebastian


The pictures are very good!

[Dietrich Maerz]

It was for sure done with a die and a die press.

[Ojoneso]

[QUOTE = Dietrich Maerz; 3826357] Es war klar, getan mit einem Würfel und die Presse. [/ QUOTE]

ok very thanks!
I understand.


Seb.

[all1knew]

What is the overall consensus on the cross that started the thread?

William Kramer