Juncker Teardrop '9' Types

[Robert P.]

Hello Gentlemen,

Outlined below, to the best of my ability, are the two types of teardrop '9' Juncker cores I have found in my Juncker EKII's. Very evident in the Type 2 are the: 1. lower date, and, 2. The lower '3'. The tops of the numbers in the Type 2 are very close to being even all the way across.

I believe, IMO, that the '1813' dates of both types are the same, although the 8's could be slightly different at their bottom half.

All opinions welcome...

[Douglas 5]

Even the backs show differences in the last 3 , .. the ball and the top tip too .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

The bottom cutout on the 8 is a different size that would not change from wear .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Thanks Douglas,

Good eye.

[Douglas 5]

I will have a look at mine .
Are yours in the 3-flaw Juncker frame ?

Douglas

[streptile]

I believe, IMO, that the '1813' dates of both types are the same, although the 8's could be slightly different at their bottom half.

Hi Robert,

Thanks for posting this. The different "teardrop 9" Juncker cores have interested me for a while. I am missing what you've labeled a Type 1 from my collection. About the reverse dates: I agree with your first thought, that the die is the same for both '1813' dates. The flaw on the horizontal stroke of the '3' is the same on both, and I do think differences in the '8' may be explained by die-wear. I'm not sure, obviously, but so it seems to me.

I also suspect that this reverse core die was used with still other Juncker obverse dies, but I don't have my crosses in front of me to compare at the moment.

[Robert P.]

I will have a look at mine .
Are yours in the 3-flaw Juncker frame ?

Douglas

Yes, Douglas, the 3-flaw frames.

Trevor, the more I look at the dates (1813) the more I think they're the same die. I'll compare the date also with my many other Juncker 'combination' crosses. Oddly, I haven't done this.

[streptile]

I'll compare the date also with my many other Juncker 'combination' crosses. Oddly, I haven't done this.

Try comparing the '1813' with the JWFS reverse core. I seem to recall they were very similar...

[Robert P.]

Try comparing the '1813' with the JWFS reverse core. I seem to recall they were very similar...

The bottom date is from the Juncker wide-frame Schinkel...

[streptile]

The bottom date is from the Juncker wide-frame Schinkel...

If I try to imagine the JWFS '1813' next to the "Type 1" just above it without the flaw on the '3' they look pretty darn similar. The flaw makes the horizontal stroke of the '3' in the Type 1 look shorter, but without it...

What do you think?

[Douglas 5]

There are deffinatly 2 types of Tear Drop 9 cores .
The side by side shot shows all the differences in the date and I added the Swastika as well that is different .
The left cross has a regular height 1 and 3 . The right cross has a short 1 and 3 .
Looking at the last 9 in the positioning to the 3 in front of it . The left cross the last 9 is low and on the right cross the last 9 is high .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Trevor, I think the 1813 dates are the same, with the exception of the '3', which could be die wear.

Thank you, Douglas, for the full core views.