C.E. Juncker EK I

[Roman]

Hello gentelments,
I would like to know your opinion about EK I.
KR,
Roman

[Roman]

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[Roman]

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[Peter Wiking]

Fine cross to me.

Peter Wiking

[George Stimson]

Here's another "L/12" screwback. (This pic was originally posted by Gordon. I don't have the reverse view.)

[stogieman]

Both of these...

... look fine to me. I like the detail, beading, core and maker's marks.

[MH184]

I'm out of my depth here, so I hope you don't mind a couple of my observations the screw plate differs from mine as does the 'hook' and makers mark.

The makers mark angle of the / looks different as does the number one's 'beak'. The maker mark overall in fact ? Not though the fact it's in a different place.

Is it the perspective of the picture on the reverse or do the arms look slightly elongated ? In conjunction with that the shape looks slightly off too.

There are a few others but I'm probably going over the top about nothing, I'm in a rush now but I will take some pic's of mine in the morning.

Kind regards,

Marcus

[MH184]

mm

[DaveJ]

not a lot of cross hatching

[Tiger 1]

Roman,

I have some reservations about the fittings on the back and the somewhat casual method of soldering. The makers mark seems to be very high up on the back. This is the first L/12 that I have seen with a base on the small pin. I don't know what to say about this as it is a bit out of charactor with other L/12s that I'm familiar with.

This is just my opinion. Maybe some others here can do a bit better by you.

Tony

[MH184]

I'm sure I read in a post of past by GW that it dosen't matter two much where they are marked, in relation to 'in and around that area'. I apologise If I'm wrong and I will correct this if I'm mistaken.

I think Romans screw plate is of the 'normal' more common size, aren't Juncker screw backs mean't to have a smaller screw plate ? I don't think mine is of the 'small' variety either come to think of it. See page 129 in GW's book The Iron Cross of 1939. My back plate measures 27mm across if thats any interest. This I don't think is really a concern in the scheme of things.

I've been looking at the beading on the rim and of the three L/12's I have it's not exactly the same, but very very close hardly anything in it but never the less different ? As private purchase copies and assuming a premise of that these were never used for general distribution I'd have though they more or less would have been the same esp the rim and beading being of a softer metal ? I mean, I doubt these were produced at any rate like the 'issue' examples thus not wearing out moulds ?

The notch on the back is differently applied, and isn't like that of mine or a couple of others I've seen but is this an accepted way or encountered before ? I don't know.

I'm probably all wrong, but I really don't like the makers mark or beading difference's. I am a novice so forgive me if I'm talking crap this must be old ground again to most of you.

Kind regards,

Marcus

[Brian S]

I don't like it. MM is different.

[stogieman]

Marcus....

There's nothing 'talkin' crap about expressing what you think, your observations, or anything else. Every single one of us is on a learning curve here. I blew through here quick while at work this AM, and Roman's and George's looked the same to me. Now that I've been back through and spent some time studying these pix, I see definate (although subtle) differences. I still like Roman's cross, but I would defer to Richard, or George as they're more in tune with crosses. Call it a "gut hunch", but I think it's still OK, despite the differences you've very correctly pointed out!

[MH184]

Thanks Ricky The only other thing really that I can make out so far without messing around with the pic's is the date, 1939.

Notice how Romans 'tail' ends on the numerals curl up significantly (the tadpole looking bits, god knows what the correct terminology is.....George you'll know this).

Right or wrong I wouldn't dare say, but compare Romans to these poor night time pic's: L/12 Screw back, EK 1 and EK 2 in that order.

Kind regards,

Marcus

[Brian S]

I still don't like the mm...