EK2 unmarked with package

[Bas Lamers]

Hello everyone,

i just got this package with a unmarked EK2 in the mail today.
the EK2 is a real beauty with allmost no damage. and rainbow looking frame.
it came straight from the vet itself. i have done some research
on the maker but can't make it out. the package is marked
Carl Forster & Graf of Schwab Gmund. is that also the maker?
can't find anything about them. opinions are welcome.
and i wish everybody a nice and healthy 2010

Kind regards Bas

[Ischak]

Can not see this one in my list. Maybe some of unkown or it is just maker of package?

1 -Deschler & Sohn, Munchen
2 -C.E. Juncker, Berlin
3 -Wilhelm Deumer, Ludenscheid
4 -Steinhauer und Luck, Ludenscheid
5 -Hermann Wernstein, Jena-Lobstedt
6 -Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7 -Paul meybauer, Berlin
8 -Ferdinand Hoffstäter, Bonn am Rhein
9 -Liefergemeinschaft Pforzheimer Schmuckhandwerker
10 -Forster und Barth, Pforzheim
11 -Grossmann & Co., Wien
12 -Frank und Reif, Stuttgart
13 -Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
14 -Lauer, Nürnberg
15 -Friedrich Orth, Wien
16 -Alois Rettenmaier, Schäbisch Gmund
17 -Schwerin&Sohn, Berlin
18 -Karl Wurster KG, Markneukirchen
19 -E. Ferd. Wiedmann, Frankfurt an Main
20 -C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
21 -Gebr. Godet & Co., Berlin
22 -Börger & Co., Berlin
23 -Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf
24 -Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller, graveur und ziselierung, Berlin Hanau am Main
25 -Arbeitsgemeinschaft der graveur
26 -B.H. Mayer’s Kunstprageanstallt, Pforzheim
27 -Anton Schenkl’s Nachfolger, Wien
28 -Eugen Schmidthaussler, Pforzheim
29 -Hauptmunzamt, Berlin
30 -Hauptmunzamt, Wien
31 -Hans Gnad, Wien
32 -W. Hobacher, Wien
33 -Friederich Linden, Ludenscheid
34 -Willy Annetsberger, Munchen
35 -F.W. Assmann, Ludenscheid
36 -Bury & Leonhardt, Hanau
37 -Adold Baumeister, Ludenscheid
38 -AG MuK, Gablonz
39 -Rudolf Berge, Gablonz
40 -Berg & Nolte, Ludenscheid
41 -Gebr. Bender, Oberstein
42 -Bindermann & Co., Oberkassel bei Bonn
43 -Julius Bauer Sohne, Zella Mehlis
44 -Jacob bengel, Idar/Oberstein
45 -Franz Jungwwirth, Wien
46 -Hans Dopller, Wela Oberdonau
47 -Erhard & Sohne A.G., Schwäbisch-Gmund
48 -Richard Feix, Gablonz
49 -Richard Feix Sohne, Gablonz
50 -Karl Gschiermeister, Wien
51 -Eduard Gorlach &Sohne, Gablonz
52 -Gottlieb und Wagner, Idar/Oberstein
53 -Glaser & Sohn, Dresden
54 -Gebrüder Wegerhoff, Lüdenscheid
55 -J.E. Hammer & Sohne, Geringswalde
56 -Robert Hauschild, Pforzheim
57 -Karl Hensler, Pforzheim
58 -Arthur Jokel & Co., Gablonz
59 -Louis Keller, Oberstein
60 -Katz & Deyhle, Phorzheim
61 -Rudolf A. Karnethz & Sohn, Gablonz
62 -Kerbach & Osterhelt, Dresden
63 -Franz J. Klami & Sohn, Gablonz
64 -Gottlieb Fr. Kech & Sohn, Pforzheim
65 -Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
66 -Friederich Keller, Oberstein
67 -H. Kreisel, Gablonz
68 -Alfred Klobloch, Gablonz
69 -Alois Klammer, Innsbruck
70 -Lind & Meyrer, Oberstein
71 -Rudolf Leukert, Gablonz
72 -Franz Lipp, Pforzheim
73 -Franz Mohnert, Gablonz
74 -Carl Maurer Sohn, Oberstein
75 -Franke&Co,Lüdenscheid
76 -Ernst L. Muller, Pforzheim
77 -Bayrische Hauptmunzamt, Munchen
78 -Gustav Miksch, Gablonz
79 -Matthias Kutsche, Attendorn
80 -G.H. Osang, Dresden
81 -Oberhoff & Cie., Ludenscheid
82 -Augustin Prager, Gablonz
83 -Emil Peukert, Gablonz
84 -Carl Pellath, Schrobenhausen
85 -Julius Pietsch, Gablonz
86 -Paulmann & Crone, Ludenscheid
87 -Roman Palme, Gablonz
88 -Werner Redo, Saarlautern
89 -Rudolf Richter, Schlag bei Gablonz
90 -August F. Richter KG, Hamburg
91 -Josef Rossler & Co., Gablonz
92 -Josef Ruckert & Sohn, Gablonz
93 -Richard Simm & Sohne, Gablonz
94 -Ossenberg-Engels, Iserlohn
95 -Adolf Scholze, Grunwald
96 -Robert Klein Wien
97 -AE Kochert, Wien
98 -Rudolf Souval, Wien
99 -Schwertner & Cie, Granz-Eggenberg
100 -Rudolf Wachtler & Lange, Mittweida
101 -Rudolf Tam, Gablonz
102 -Philipp Turka, Wien
103 -August G. Tam, Gablonz
104 -Heinrich Ulbricht’s Ws, Kaufing
105 -Heinrich Vogt, Pforzheim Schwanenstadt/Oberdonau
106 -Bruder Schneider AG, Wien
107 -Carl Wild, Hamburg
108 -Arno Wallpach, Salzburg
109 -Walter & Henlein, Gablonz
110 -Otto Zappe, Gablonz
111 -Zierner & Sohn, Oberstein
112 -Argentor Werke Rust & Hetzel, Wien
113 -Hermann Aurich, Dresden
114 -Ludwig Bertsch, Karsruhe
115 -Richard Sieper&Söhne, Lüdenscheid
116 -Funk & Bruningshaus, Ludenscheid
117 -Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
118 -August Menze &Sohn, Wien
119 -Alfred Stubbe, Berlin
120 -Franz Petzl, Wien
121 -Imme&Sohn, Berlin
122 -J.J. Stahl, Strassburg
123 -Bech, Hassinger & Co., Strassburg
124 -Rudolf Schanes, Wien
125 -Eugen Gauss, Pforzheim
126 -Eduard Hann, Oberstein
127 -Mortiz Hausch AG, Pforzheim
128 -S. Jablonski & Co., Ludenscheid
129 -Frits Kohm, Pforzheim
130 -Wilhelm Schroder & Co., Ludenscheid
131 -Heinrich Wander, Gablonz
132 -Franz Reischauer, Idar/Oberstein
133 -Otto Schickle, Pforzheim
134 -Otto Klein & Co., Hanau
135 -Julius Mosersen, Oberstein
136 -J Wagner & Sohn Berlin
137 -J H Werner Berlin
138 -Julius Maurer Oberstein
139 -Hymmen & Co Ludenschied
140 -Schauerte & Hohfeld Ludenscheid
141 -Sohni Heubach & Co Oberstein
142 -A D Schwerdt Stuttgart

[Robert P.]

The cross is an early unmarked Fritz Zimmermann.

Edit: The Forster and Graf packets are still a subject of debate.

[Bas Lamers]

thanks for the replay Josef and Robert.
so its a early zimmerman. thanks Robert
i don't have one yet. its a real eye catcher
the pics make it look poor. the packet looks ok
to me, there is a print from the cross on it.
looks like the cross has being in there for a long time.

Kind regards Bas

[evilmike]

The EK looks in very nice condition

[Robert P.]

A search under 'Forster & Graf' should turn up alot of information for you.

[Ischak]

If it is Fritz I am just waiting for this one, but with maker mark 6:

For compare: I hope upcoming week it will arrive

http://img51.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=mm6b.jpg

[Bas Lamers]

A search under 'Forster & Graf' should turn up alot of information for you.

yes i found it when you search under Forster and Graf
then you find almost nothing. thanks for the compare pics Josef
now i am going to drink some nice cold Heiniken and i wish you all the best for 2010!!!

[Hans Kondor]

Very nice cross!

[streptile]

Nice cross. I have one of these packets myself. I believe they are either a)newly discovered wartime stock or b) recent (very good) forgeries. Who knows which? But the fact is, they are commonly found, and in minty shape. I like them nonetheless.

Happy New Year!

[MH184]

Nice cross. I have one of these packets myself. I believe they are either a)newly discovered wartime stock or b) recent (very good) forgeries. Who knows which? But the fact is, they are commonly found, and in minty shape. I like them nonetheless.

Happy New Year!

I think I dare say they're not forgeries.......says Marcus

As to those adorning the LDO warranty, well, there is a quandary as to EXACTLY when such was applied - I have to say however ''unconventional'' they may appear to our notions, I do believe them as to be the genuine period article, yes.

That is I believe and I'm unable substantiate that any further, at this moment in time.


KR

Marcus

[Bas Lamers]

i will follow that post. and i got the cross for a verry nice price.
so if the packet turn out to be fake its not a problem.
again when i look at it it looks oke to me. and i now where
it came from.

Kind regards Bas

[Varsity]

PKZ list

Sorry to bump this old thread, but this is the first time I come accross someone with a full list of manufacturers, is this list below correct?

Can not see this one in my list. Maybe some of unkown or it is just maker of package?

1 -Deschler & Sohn, Munchen
2 -C.E. Juncker, Berlin
3 -Wilhelm Deumer, Ludenscheid
4 -Steinhauer und Luck, Ludenscheid
5 -Hermann Wernstein, Jena-Lobstedt
6 -Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7 -Paul meybauer, Berlin
8 -Ferdinand Hoffstäter, Bonn am Rhein
9 -Liefergemeinschaft Pforzheimer Schmuckhandwerker
10 -Forster und Barth, Pforzheim
11 -Grossmann & Co., Wien
12 -Frank und Reif, Stuttgart
13 -Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
14 -Lauer, Nürnberg
15 -Friedrich Orth, Wien
16 -Alois Rettenmaier, Schäbisch Gmund
17 -Schwerin&Sohn, Berlin
18 -Karl Wurster KG, Markneukirchen
19 -E. Ferd. Wiedmann, Frankfurt an Main
20 -C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
21 -Gebr. Godet & Co., Berlin
22 -Börger & Co., Berlin
23 -Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf
24 -Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller, graveur und ziselierung, Berlin Hanau am Main
25 -Arbeitsgemeinschaft der graveur
26 -B.H. Mayer’s Kunstprageanstallt, Pforzheim
27 -Anton Schenkl’s Nachfolger, Wien
28 -Eugen Schmidthaussler, Pforzheim
29 -Hauptmunzamt, Berlin
30 -Hauptmunzamt, Wien
31 -Hans Gnad, Wien
32 -W. Hobacher, Wien
33 -Friederich Linden, Ludenscheid
34 -Willy Annetsberger, Munchen
35 -F.W. Assmann, Ludenscheid
36 -Bury & Leonhardt, Hanau
37 -Adold Baumeister, Ludenscheid
38 -AG MuK, Gablonz
39 -Rudolf Berge, Gablonz
40 -Berg & Nolte, Ludenscheid
41 -Gebr. Bender, Oberstein
42 -Bindermann & Co., Oberkassel bei Bonn
43 -Julius Bauer Sohne, Zella Mehlis
44 -Jacob bengel, Idar/Oberstein
45 -Franz Jungwwirth, Wien
46 -Hans Dopller, Wela Oberdonau
47 -Erhard & Sohne A.G., Schwäbisch-Gmund
48 -Richard Feix, Gablonz
49 -Richard Feix Sohne, Gablonz
50 -Karl Gschiermeister, Wien
51 -Eduard Gorlach &Sohne, Gablonz
52 -Gottlieb und Wagner, Idar/Oberstein
53 -Glaser & Sohn, Dresden
54 -Gebrüder Wegerhoff, Lüdenscheid
55 -J.E. Hammer & Sohne, Geringswalde
56 -Robert Hauschild, Pforzheim
57 -Karl Hensler, Pforzheim
58 -Arthur Jokel & Co., Gablonz
59 -Louis Keller, Oberstein
60 -Katz & Deyhle, Phorzheim
61 -Rudolf A. Karnethz & Sohn, Gablonz
62 -Kerbach & Osterhelt, Dresden
63 -Franz J. Klami & Sohn, Gablonz
64 -Gottlieb Fr. Kech & Sohn, Pforzheim
65 -Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
66 -Friederich Keller, Oberstein
67 -H. Kreisel, Gablonz
68 -Alfred Klobloch, Gablonz
69 -Alois Klammer, Innsbruck
70 -Lind & Meyrer, Oberstein
71 -Rudolf Leukert, Gablonz
72 -Franz Lipp, Pforzheim
73 -Franz Mohnert, Gablonz
74 -Carl Maurer Sohn, Oberstein
75 -Franke&Co,Lüdenscheid
76 -Ernst L. Muller, Pforzheim
77 -Bayrische Hauptmunzamt, Munchen
78 -Gustav Miksch, Gablonz
79 -Matthias Kutsche, Attendorn
80 -G.H. Osang, Dresden
81 -Oberhoff & Cie., Ludenscheid
82 -Augustin Prager, Gablonz
83 -Emil Peukert, Gablonz
84 -Carl Pellath, Schrobenhausen
85 -Julius Pietsch, Gablonz
86 -Paulmann & Crone, Ludenscheid
87 -Roman Palme, Gablonz
88 -Werner Redo, Saarlautern
89 -Rudolf Richter, Schlag bei Gablonz
90 -August F. Richter KG, Hamburg
91 -Josef Rossler & Co., Gablonz
92 -Josef Ruckert & Sohn, Gablonz
93 -Richard Simm & Sohne, Gablonz
94 -Ossenberg-Engels, Iserlohn
95 -Adolf Scholze, Grunwald
96 -Robert Klein Wien
97 -AE Kochert, Wien
98 -Rudolf Souval, Wien
99 -Schwertner & Cie, Granz-Eggenberg
100 -Rudolf Wachtler & Lange, Mittweida
101 -Rudolf Tam, Gablonz
102 -Philipp Turka, Wien
103 -August G. Tam, Gablonz
104 -Heinrich Ulbricht’s Ws, Kaufing
105 -Heinrich Vogt, Pforzheim Schwanenstadt/Oberdonau
106 -Bruder Schneider AG, Wien
107 -Carl Wild, Hamburg
108 -Arno Wallpach, Salzburg
109 -Walter & Henlein, Gablonz
110 -Otto Zappe, Gablonz
111 -Zierner & Sohn, Oberstein
112 -Argentor Werke Rust & Hetzel, Wien
113 -Hermann Aurich, Dresden
114 -Ludwig Bertsch, Karsruhe
115 -Richard Sieper&Söhne, Lüdenscheid
116 -Funk & Bruningshaus, Ludenscheid
117 -Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
118 -August Menze &Sohn, Wien
119 -Alfred Stubbe, Berlin
120 -Franz Petzl, Wien
121 -Imme&Sohn, Berlin
122 -J.J. Stahl, Strassburg
123 -Bech, Hassinger & Co., Strassburg
124 -Rudolf Schanes, Wien
125 -Eugen Gauss, Pforzheim
126 -Eduard Hann, Oberstein
127 -Mortiz Hausch AG, Pforzheim
128 -S. Jablonski & Co., Ludenscheid
129 -Frits Kohm, Pforzheim
130 -Wilhelm Schroder & Co., Ludenscheid
131 -Heinrich Wander, Gablonz
132 -Franz Reischauer, Idar/Oberstein
133 -Otto Schickle, Pforzheim
134 -Otto Klein & Co., Hanau
135 -Julius Mosersen, Oberstein
136 -J Wagner & Sohn Berlin
137 -J H Werner Berlin
138 -Julius Maurer Oberstein
139 -Hymmen & Co Ludenschied
140 -Schauerte & Hohfeld Ludenscheid
141 -Sohni Heubach & Co Oberstein
142 -A D Schwerdt Stuttgart