Juncker EK2s

[streptile]

Trevor, look at the top of the '1', the hard bend.

Robert,

I see the same "hard bend," to slightly different degrees, on both '1's. Looking under magnification, in-hand, do these two dates really appear so different as to be the product of two different dies? To me they truly seem like the same core. But I don't know for sure.

[Robert P.]

Trevor,

If you go back to the chart and view the cores nos. 1 and 4 it will help to see the difference.

Edit: I've studied the dates, but also the swasis. The S&L swasi is just a little larger, crowding the inner beading more than the wide-frame core's swasi. I'm fairly certain the cores are from different dies.

[Robert P.]

Trevor,

Getting back to your original question (I'm sorry for missing that earlier), core #4 on the chart is, IMO, a wide-frame Schinkel core, yes.

[Robert P.]

Trevor,

The cores, wide-flange Schinkel and S&L, are pictured below. IMO, the swasi of the S&L is just a little larger than the other. And the dates, as close as they are to being alike, are yet different somewhat. I'd like to hear your input on this. You obviously have an eye for detail.

[Douglas 5]

I was the one that asked about #4 in the chart , ... but you already answered that .
Robert ; the Ek1 in post 41 ... you happen to have an 10 degree elevated side shot of the pin anchor ???

Douglas

[Robert P.]

I was the one that asked about #4 in the chart , ... but you already answered that .
Robert ; the Ek1 in post 41 ... you happen to have an 10 degree elevated side shot of the pin anchor ???

Douglas

I trust this is what you're asking for, Douglas?

[Robert P.]

I was the one that asked about #4 in the chart , ... but you already answered that .
Robert ; the Ek1 in post 41 ... you happen to have an 10 degree elevated side shot of the pin anchor ???

Douglas

Of course. I'm talking on the phone, editing photos and posting comments at the same time; multi-tasking. I need a break!

[Douglas 5]

Well ... a 50/50 chance to get the right angle . What I was looking for - was the oposite combination . Tried to draw it .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Here you are...

[Douglas 5]

That will do ...
Pictures taken at the pin from the top are often difficult to determin the pin set used . Nice Juncker one here withall the matching features .

Douglas

[streptile]

Hi Robert,

Yes, I see your point. I guess they are probably from two dies, as there are differences that can't really be explained by wear or strike-depth (most noticeable, to me, is the negative space between the '1' and the '9'). But they are so close, that I would be very surprised if the one labeled S&L wasn't actually a Juncker core as well. Of course, that's just speculation based on the knack Juncker craftsmen seem to have had for consistency across frame (and core) dies. I'd like to see it in a '4' marked cross if you or anyone else has one to show.

[fabri-online]

@ Trevor, how many beautiful Junckers you have !!

@ Robert, your Juncker EKI is really very nice too !!!

I have a question, can we considere Junckers all crosses with back set-up in post # 41 ? .... or , depends if the cross has a Juncker/W&L frame ?

[Robert P.]

Trevor,

I'd like to see this core in an S&L cross myself. Perhaps Douglas can provide us with a photo of this same core in an S&L frame. Douglas?

[streptile]

can we considere Junckers all crosses with back set-up in post # 41 ? .... or , depends if the cross has a Juncker/W&L frame ?

I believe that any cross with this pin system and a Juncker frame is a Juncker. Some are found with W&L cores. The pin is similar, but not the same, as the common K&Q pin.

[Douglas 5]

Robert : Here is one S&L core you wanted - with very nice flared flanges on the Swas and the date not the best to see , may have more pictures of others .

Douglas