Schinkel Info Help Please!

[SaraM]

Hello all,

I have been seeing references to Schinkel form crosses around the forum so I thought I'd search on them to learn some more. I have found out a bit but I still have some more queries, please can somebody help?

Ok, is Schinkel the name of a manufacturer or just a description?

Has a Schinkel cross ever been found maker marked or is that the day everyone is waiting for?!

They made EKII's and EKI's but did they ever make RK's and are they only 1939 issue?

What is the Schinkel B type? I'm guessing it's a reference from Gordons book which I don't have yet - does it refer to the round 3 Schinkel crosses or am I just getting confused, am I confusing 2 subjects there?

Right, that's more than enough and I'm sorry if I sound like the police! I'd be very grateful if anyone can sort my confused mind out.

[Joao Alberto]

Sara,

Schinkelform iron crosses are called this away because of the similarity to the original 1813 design. In fact, prussian architect Karl Friedrich SCHINKEL was the original designer of the iron cross.

Personally, i never saw an original maker marked Schinkel EKII or even a Schinkel Knight´s Cross. Maybe you could find pictures of a schinkel EKII converted for use as a substitute Knight´s Cross.

Schinkel "B" type is rather rare. "It has much less of a curvature to the edges of the arms and indeed these edges appear almost straicht when compared with some of the standard 1939 Second Classes" (The Iron Cross of 1939 by Gordon Williamson, p. 65). Frank H posted an example of this cross not long ago here. Check this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=39031

Schinkel "B" does no refer to the "round 3" pattern.

Hope it helps,
Joao Alberto.

[Joao Alberto]

Interesting, i saw just two exemples of schinkel "B" crosses (on Gordon´s book and Frank´s) and both are round 3.

Joao Alberto.

[SaraM]

Cheers!

Thank you for helping Joao, that explains a lot. Sounds like I need to brush up on my history a bit!

That's why I was getting confused - from seeing Schinkel examples with the round 3. Both characteristics make for an extremely unusual cross!

Muchos gracias,

Sara

[Joao Alberto]

I´m glad i could help you.

Joao Alberto.

[Tiger 1]

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[George L]

Are these real?

Just kidding, enjoy the photos of Tiger 1's, and two of mine. Some are not schinkels (two 1st classes at the bottom of photo 2), but are there just cuz there odd balls. The screwback is an L/10, and pinback is a '6'.

Cheers,
George L

[George Stimson]

Two Schinkel-form EK 2s (Type "A") with slightly different date numbers.

[SaraM]

Thank you very much GeorgeL, Tiger1 and George.

Is that an infamous Schinkel B-type EK1 in the middle of the bottom row on your picture GeorgeL? And I know I'm going off topic here a little but are Zimmerman 6 EK1's unusual?

Sara

[George L]

Crosses

Yes, that is the type 'B' schinkel in the bottom center. No, the 6's are not are not unusual other than having less curvature to the arms than most others, but are scarce.

Here's another photo of the type 'B'. Notice the pebbling on the centers of these two.

Cheers,

George L

[Tiger 1]

Two Schinkel-form EK 2s (Type "A") with slightly different date numbers.

George,

Nice Schinkels!

Your picture much better illustrates the two types of numerals on the "A" type Schinkel crosses. One has 'balls' at the bottom stroke of the number while the other is pointed. George L and I tried to show this but it's hard to see.

Tony