Mini Lapel RK & EK I

[AlikN]

I don't think you'll would see it anywhere else, L/11 mark on that stickpin is on rear die for the pin, not like a punch type of mark that can be used on other awards.

[Peter J.]

Unfortunately I can't post images for illustration, but that is not entirely true.
Granted I haven't seen an L/11 in relief, but I have i.g. a struck L/11 on a 16mm KVK1 in buntmetall. However I do have L/16, L/53 and L/58 in relief on 9mm minis.

cheers
Peter

[Peter J.]

Correction, the L/58 is sitting on a Mutterkreuz mini

cheers
Peter

[streptile]

I don't think you'll would see it anywhere else, L/11 mark on that stickpin is on rear die for the pin, not like a punch type of mark that can be used on other awards.

Right

And thank you for the photo, too

[Andy B.]

I believe I've brought it up before, but this is the only L/11 mark I've seen in relief. The other 8 types (at least) have all been stamped. With no intention to miscredit the above shown, has anyone seen a piece marked in a similar way?

cheers
Peter

Hi Peter,
I have this one marked the same way. I was originally skeptical about this pin, but the mark seems good. Here is the reverse first.

[Andy B.]

and the front......

[Andy B.]

of course Tim, we seem to have similar items

[vonStubben]

Might we return to the topic of this particular thread?

Chuck

[Peter J.]

Andy, thanks for the input. I seem to have a problem bringing forward my questions in a comprehensible fashion, so here we go again:

Has anyone seen a L/11 mark in RELIEF on any other full sized or miniature than the 9mm EK2 1939 presented here?

cheers
Peter

[streptile]

of course Tim, we seem to have similar items

Man, Andy, that triple is spectacular! Best detail I've seen.

I've always considered two-piece stickpins to be EK1 and EK2, however, the one Chuck shows also has a ribbon which, if original, could conceivably have represented the EK2, as it did on the uniform. Just a thought.

Has anyone seen a L/11 mark in RELIEF on any other full sized or miniature than the 9mm EK2 1939 presented here?

I think the point is that the mark is part of the die for this piece, presumably because it's so small.

[AlikN]

I still think that the first stickpin in the thread is KC/ek combo, here is how ek1/ek2 combo should look like, like this zimmermann 'couple', both the same size...

[AlikN]

...and here is another pictures of my combo, which I think maybe the same strike as one started the thread only mine has a KC loop on large cross, and it was NOT added - soldered on later, loop and the cross have identical frosting or what is left of it and also if someone would solder a loop later it would burn off the paint.

[AlikN]

...so I think at first they made them this way and later on simplified it and saved some time on labor .

[Peppe864]

Might we return to the topic of this particular thread?

Chuck

IMHO it is plausible that the combo posted by vonStubben is indeed RK+EK-combo.

Of course it is hard to say with 100 % certainty.

Many collectors that I have met always wants to believe that an EK II miniature is an RK, this is just my observation. Also some dealers peddle the EK I & II minatures as RK´s. So it is very good shedding light on this matter with the RK contra EK miniatures.

A very interesting thread to read.

[Andy B.]

Well it might be an unpopular belief with some of my mini collector friends,but if I have to hazard a guess about the pin the started this, I would say it is an RK/EK combo. I have seen quite a few EK combos where both crosses are the same size. Leading me to believe EK1 and 2. The larger size seems to fit with the RK/EK combos I seen. I just have no clue as to why the third EK is not included. Could be the 'ol private purchase/jeweler made version.

@ streptile - thanks for the compliment. This particular pin actually came cased.

@ peter - I shall keep a look out for the L/11 stamp. I hope your doing well.

@ alikn - I have seen your combo before (or one like it) and have always wondered why put the loop at the top? Seems strange, since the cross is already larger indicating that it is a higher grade. Also I noticed the loop is oval in shape. Why wouldn't it be round like its big brother. Mind you I am not saying that makes it bad. Just a couple of questions I have.

Andy