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**Basusu1166** · 11-24-2009, 10:13 AM

hi.

the shortest answer....

http://www.ironcross1939.com/Ritterkreuz-1.htm

get this book of dietrich

or ( if you can login or able to translate )

http://sammlergemeinschaft-deutscher...php?threadid=4

greetings
B.

**Basusu1166** · 11-24-2009, 10:19 AM

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a types has their signs , explained in the book and are definitive wartime crosses .

b-types have nearly the same frame but their special signs,

( http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&highlight=935 )

but only the b-types stamped with "800 4" and the 935 4 " are possibly wartime crosses ...all other are postwar...

**VIPER** · 11-24-2009, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Basusu1166 View Post

a types has their signs , explained in the book and are definitive wartime crosses .

b-types have nearly the same frame but their special signs,

( http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&highlight=935 )

but only the b-types stamped with "800 4" and the 935 4 " are possibly wartime crosses ...all other are postwar...

It appears that research is ongoing to remove the "possible" designation........Happy Thanksgiving Jimmy

**Leroy** · 11-24-2009, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Basusu1166 View Post

but only the b-types stamped with "800 4" and the 935 4 " are possibly wartime crosses ...all other are postwar...

I would say, based on Klessheim and OTHER believable reports and physical findings, as well, that both the 800-4 and 935-4 are certainly wartime. I would not exclude the POSSIBILITY of some other "B" crosses being wartime, too, although at this point we can't positively say this with confidence. Certainly, in my opinion, the first postwar assembled "B" crosses were assembled using wartime leftover original stock. As time progressed, changes appear in both frames and cores which point to S&L having run out of original stock and, in response, beginning new stamping. The very first 1957 models used, I am personally convinced, leftover frames (w/o raised beading flaws).

**Thomas E Hansen** · 11-24-2009, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Leroy View Post

I would say, based on Klessheim and OTHER believable reports and physical findings, as well, that both the 800-4 and 935-4 are certainly wartime. I would not exclude the POSSIBILITY of some other "B" crosses being wartime, too, although at this point we can't positively say this with confidence. Certainly, in my opinion, the first postwar assembled "B" crosses were assembled using wartime leftover original stock. As time progressed, changes appear in both frames and cores which point to S&L having run out of original stock and, in response, beginning new stamping. The very first 1957 models used, I am personally convinced, leftover frames (w/o raised beading flaws).

How do the micro 800 cross fit into this?????

**Leroy** · 11-24-2009, 01:29 PM

The "micro 800" stamp was used on type "A" S&L crosses at approximately the same time (and perhaps contemporaneously with) the standard size "800" stamp, although some believe the "micro" is actually a bit earlier. There are also "B" crosses with a "micro 800" stamp (although, to be honest, I have not compared the marks to see if the actual same tool was used). I seriously doubt that there was a shortage of silver content stamps!

P.S. To add to the confusion, some "B" crosses have real silver frames and some have neusilber frames. Some of the ones with real silver frames are not marked for silver content (although, by law, they should have been). Who knows why? Carelessness, a mix-up in frames so the employee didn't know what they were and so applied no stamp out of caution, etc.? Again, no one except the people who were directly involved would know for sure.

**Rich G** · 11-24-2009, 02:46 PM

I thought it went :

A Type 800
A type micro 800
935/4 and or 800/4 (magnetic)
Huge grey area here
Post war Types

Rich

**Leroy** · 11-24-2009, 03:37 PM

I believe Dietrich thinks (and he can speak for himself) that both styles of
"800" were used at the same time.

**Dietrich Maerz** · 11-25-2009, 04:27 AM

The award dates of 800 and micro 800 are intermingled. There is no transition visible like one has with the 800 and L/12 and 2.

**Butch** · 11-25-2009, 04:33 PM

Dietrich,
May I ask what would be the approximately award dates be for the 800 and the micro 800.

Many thanks, Gareth

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