Dangerous Copies! AARRRGGG!

[WEISNER]

Have a look at these Mates! Most of Us would be able to pick these out as copies, But I get the feeling many new collectors have been taken by one!
At least the cost is not cheap, But these are dangerous just the same! Even Maker marked by Deschler! And core shows Age!
See this link! http://www.thirdreich.ca/museumcopies.php?section=icfc
I just thought You may be interested and new collector BEWARE!
Kevin

[streptile]

The pin, hinge and catch on these is the same as, or similar to, recently seen on a Schinkel and an 1870 EK1 fake.



THIS LINK shows both, and here are the reverses for quick reference:



Notice all three are marked: '1', 'L/52' and '900'.

[freeman]

Ek 1

Thanks Kevin and Trevor
I am of the opinion that these will soon start coming up on this forum.
The web site at least says they are copies, but some one will take advantage and list them as good .Good job you guys.
Michael

[WEISNER]

Good Job Trevor! You have these laid out for good reference and Michael is right! We have not seen the last of these here!
Kev

[mametz]

Why would someone pay $175 for one of these? you can buy an original
for not much more. I read somewhere that a big time collector is behind
this site, but can,t remember the name.
Regards
Mametz

[Steinar]

$200-300 for a FAKE badge, you got to be kidding. that's a JOKE.
Whats next?
"buy a famous FLOCH fake for $500" ?

[George Stimson]

I like the description "A Post War Original."

[Snni]

Just hates the fakes

[WEISNER]

Sure this is what He is selling them for. But I bet He buy's them from the maker for $25.00-$50.00 each, The maker is probably loading Charlie Snyder up with stock and these will find homes on Dishonest dealer sites!
Know what You are buying Gent's and do Your homework!
Kevin

[byterock]

I really do not see what all the excitement is about.

The site is quite open about what it is selling and even explains in detail how to spot these reproductions she is not trying to fool or deceive anyone.


The museum copy business has been around in this hobby from the very beginning and I my self see nothing wrong with it.

I myself acquired a Grand Cross of the KN some years ago from a dealer like this. I never believed it was real and not other serious collector would either. When I sold it it was as a filler and as it was well made it looked good in any collection.

At that time there where a number of dealers in the mail order business catering to 'Museums' or alike.


He is filling a need for space holders of good quality. There will always be some bad apple out there who will try to sell as original but most likely mot these as their price takes away from the fakers #1 concern and that if profit.

anyway just my 2c worth.

cheers

[streptile]

I really do not see what all the excitement is about.

The Schinkel and the 1870 shown above were recently sold as originals. If they were made by the same maker as the fake Deschler, which is unproven, then the case is already made that someone is using their expertise for nefarious ends. While this person may be maker rather than the seller, the end result is the same.

Also, a true museum copy or "space-filler" would be marked as such on the reverse. These are marked with a fake maker's mark, which leads me to wonder what their true purpose is.

...Grand Cross of the KN...

What award is the KN?

[AFF96]

Have a look at these Mates! Most of Us would be able to pick these out as copies, But I get the feeling many new collectors have been taken by one!
At least the cost is not cheap, But these are dangerous just the same! Even Maker marked by Deschler! And core shows Age!
See this link! http://www.thirdreich.ca/museumcopies.php?section=icfc
I just thought You may be interested and new collector BEWARE!
Kevin

Thank you Kevin! As a newby this help is invaluable! and a money saver!!

[mrg]

Now that is not a nice thing to see, a very dangerous site.

[dc9]

The site says the following for most of the Crosses and Badges:

made in Europe from the original Third Reich molds and are identical to the originals.

Has anyone started to look at which frame die they supposedly used for the crosses? Does it appear they did use an original, with known flaws, etc.? The site does say they ship with different maker marks, so, hopefully that will make it a little easier when we see the wrong MM on a particular frame.

I am more concerned about the other awards/badges listed, particularly if they did use "original dies." Has anyone taken a close look at the HSF for instance?

This is scary too:

Don Boyle, recognized as the world's leading authority on SS Honor Rings has rated our Kroeger Honor Ring as "The finest reproduction of an SS Totenkopf Honor Ring I have ever seen".

Eric

[Jon. H]

I have been in contact with him, i'm planning to buy a Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun repro Marriage certificate for 40usd. And we started talking, and he says that Charlie Snyder is a very respected dealer??