Help with maker of this EK2

[wvdparis2]

Hi,

I'm more an EK1 guy but my way crossed this crosses
Can anyone identifythe maker ?

thanks

Michael

[wvdparis2]

reverse

[Gabor Tischler]

Hi Michael,

My opinion, that this is a unmarked 13.

Best regards Gabor

[wvdparis2]

thanks for this answer Gabor.
are you sure ? because the swastika don't seems the same (on a raised "plateau").

[Gabor Tischler]

thanks for this answer Gabor.
are you sure ? because the swastika don't seems the same (on a raised "plateau").

Hi Michael,


I'm not a big collector, and my eyes are not too good for the observation of details, but I think that as you cross a unmarked "13".

I show you my 2 crosses. The left side is an mm13 and the right side is a unmarked 13. Please look at the pics.

Best regards Gabor

[Gabor Tischler]

...and the reserve....

Best regards Gabor

[wvdparis2]

Yes those are very close, (I compared with my 13 too) and the swastika isn't rased on a square as on the "13". Is this a core variation ????

[wvdparis2]

I closely compared this unmarked one to my 13 :
- very same "1939" date
- different swastika (the unmarked has a highest swastika too)
- the 1918 is bigest on the unmarked one
- frame have sligh different size

[Gabor Tischler]

Yes, I think that.

Best regards Gabor

[wvdparis2]

thanks Gabor

is there any other opinions or confirmation ?

[wvdparis2]

no other opinion ?

[Adrian]

I can't tell you the maker right now but I'm not convinced this EK2 is by '13' - Gustav Brehmer.

[streptile]

I closely compared this unmarked one to my 13 :
- the 1918 is bigest on the unmarked one

Hi Michael,

What is the 1918?

[Robert P.]

Yes those are very close, (I compared with my 13 too) and the swastika isn't rased on a square as on the "13". Is this a core variation ????

You say you have a marked '13' to compare with...good. Look at the lower arm (6:00 arm), right corner beading. There is a heavily flawed corner. I have roughly a dozen '13's, and this flaw progressively gets worse on each cross I have. But, if you have a '13' to compare with you should begin to see similarities even though the flaw progresses. I can post photos if you like to illustrate, but see if you can find the similarities first. You should be able to begin the process of elimination quickly if it is not a '13'. Hope this helps.

[Robert P.]

Here's something to look for on your unmarked cross. The 'divet' (circled) may be a 'signature' rather than a flaw in the frame die. It appears in the best of the '13' crosses I own. Then, the progression of flaws occur, yet the 'divet' signature can still be found....

One thing worth mentioning, not all of my '13' crosses have the swasi on the platform. A shallow strike when produced, a variant core? I don't know. I am still studying the obverse dates to determine this.