ek2 spange

[Don D.]

I would like some opinions on this spange.
Thanks
Don

[Don D.]

the back.

[George Stimson]

It's no good. It's one of the more common fakes of the EK 2 Spange. I've seen a lot of them and, alas, owned two.

Here are two examples. The one on the left is marked "L/4" (a fake LDO number). The one on the right is marked "21" like yours.

[Don D.]

Thanks for thr reply George. I have a hard time seeing the simularities. Does anyone have a genuine Godet spange they can post?
Thanks
Don

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Don,

A very quick way to detect this fake is comparing the radius of the round spaces between head and shoulder of the eagle on each side. On this fake, the right (when viewed from front) space is much wider than the left one. Significant for this fake only and not the case with original spanges of any maker (to this extreme extent).

Cheers, Frank

[George Stimson]

Here's a closer look at the bad "Godet" Spange I had. Note that the areas where the bottoms of the wings meet the body -- the curved rows of feathers -- are not symmetrical. (This is especially noticable from the back.) Compare also the ribbon at the bottom of the wreath, and the leaves of the wreath.
(Real Godet Spangen are very rare. I've never seen one.)

[George Stimson]

Here's another example of this fake that was recently offered on a respected dealer's web site. The asymmetrical areas of the wings are highlighted.

[Don D.]

Thanks. The information you guys provide is invaluable to new collectors like me. This one is going back.
Don

[esquiroz]

Sorry George,
the Spange for the EK2 tha you are describing like a fake is exactly the same one that is described and photografed on the main web page of our forum. It could be interesting if you look it for a moment and give us your opinion.
Best regards
Carlos

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi Carlos,

Good eye and you are absolutely right!

Cheers, Frank

[esquiroz]

Thank you Frank to give me your vote, but:
Does it mean that the pictures that are posted on the web site may be wrong?
Because I have bought several crosses looking, reading and learning from this web site, beeing completely convinced that they were posting only 100% original pieces.
I continue not having it very clear. Does this spange be a fake or not?

Best regards

Carlos

Hi Carlos,

Good eye and you are absolutely right!

Cheers, Frank

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Carlos,

Yes, the spange is in my opinion wrong. These things happen, I assume the article was written when common knowledge about that good fake did not prevail. And I guess none of us older forum members ever reread that article recently.

Cheers, Frank

[esquiroz]

Hello Again Frank,

I only wanted to tell you that in Stephen Previtera's book, on page 244 you can find exactly the same piece, presented as an original one. On page 246, you find it again, but as a part of a special set offered normally by Hitler only to high offciers at the beginnig of the war. As you know only Godet was authorised to make such sets(Godet, like the markings on the suposed fake). And if you look closer to the image on page 246 you can also find that this second class Spange not only has the same characteristics as the one critisized in this thread, but also the concave to the trapezoid's left and right walls, as a very early piece.
Any more comments?

Best regards
Carlos

Dear Carlos,

Yes, the spange is in my opinion wrong. These things happen, I assume the article was written when common knowledge about that good fake did not prevail. And I guess none of us older forum members ever reread that article recently.

Cheers, Frank

[Frank Heukemes]

Yes, search these forums for threads on The Iron Time and you will see that we discovered these fakes in the book a long time ago (besides some more fakes in there). The clasp is and remains a fake.

Cheers, Frank

[esquiroz]

thank you again Frank


Cheers
Carlos

Yes, search these forums for threads on The Iron Time and you will see that we discovered these fakes in the book a long time ago (besides some more fakes in there). The clasp is and remains a fake.

Cheers, Frank