EK1 "L/19"pls watch out for details!

[ekhunter]

As he's been identified (sort of), I'll say that I know the seller to be a very honest (and patient, and nice) man.

True! I've bought several crosses from Frank, and he has been nothing but honest and courteous. It sounds like a case of miscommunication or a difference of opinions to me.

[ben bijker]

True! I've bought several crosses from Frank, and he has been nothing but honest and courteous. It sounds like a case of miss-communication or a difference of opinions to me.

Well, to me it's more like an attempt to " get even"
5tefan sold a 107 to Frank that was clearly re-painted, but according to 5tefan the black on the rim is a "protective coating that was applied by the makers of high end, minty ek's (as stated on GCA)
Mind you, there are black parts on the reverse and hinge of the cross as well
Real crappy excuse for a repainted cross.
5tefan reluctantly agreed to take it back, but now of course he wants to get even.

I think it is very remarkable that on GCA no one wrote that the core had been re-painted, not even Franki (who is currently writing a book on the ek1 and inspects them better then the average collector) , but here a non-ek collector comes to the conclusion the core has been re-painted.
All within 13 minutes.
Coincedence, or directed??


This seller has a good reputation and is always correct, as many other members and non-members can vouch for.
This is plain and simple revenge, no more, no less.


5tefan: over the past weeks you have sold a re-painted 107 without mentioning it, and a Juncker ek with a pin you replaced yourself, but " forgot" to mention it in the auction.
You'd better clean up your own act instead of wining and threatening to leave when you get caught, that will get you more respect in the end.

[schönbeck]

There's a lot of people claiming all sort of things to be repainted. It isnt very easy to repaint a ek core with the correct method and color.
SOme cores have factory touch ups, or are painted when already assembled.

Frank know his ek's with out a doubt.

/Daniel

[Ronny.R]

Well, to me it's more like an attempt to " get even"
5tefan sold a 107 to Frank that was clearly re-painted, but according to 5tefan the black on the rim is a "protective coating that was applied by the makers of high end, minty ek's (as stated on GCA)
Mind you, there are black parts on the reverse and hinge of the cross as well
Real crappy excuse for a repainted cross.
5tefan reluctantly agreed to take it back, but now of course he wants to get even.

I think it is very remarkable that on GCA no one wrote that the core had been re-painted, not even Franki (who is currently writing a book on the ek1 and inspects them better then the average collector) , but here a non-ek collector comes to the conclusion the core has been re-painted.
All within 13 minutes.
Coincedence, or directed??


This seller has a good reputation and is always correct, as many other members and non-members can vouch for.
This is plain and simple revenge, no more, no less.


5tefan: over the past weeks you have sold a re-painted 107 without mentioning it, and a Juncker ek with a pin you replaced yourself, but " forgot" to mention it in the auction.
You'd better clean up your own act instead of wining and threatening to leave when you get caught, that will get you more respect in the end.

Whats your point Ben

If you referring to me as to the non EK collector, which I stated myself

I sew this thread here at WAF long before the one at GCA so I felt no need to post the same there

And from the posted pictures it looks like there are paint on the rim, and just because I don’t collect EK’s doesn’t mean that I have to be blind

Are all WAF members going paranoid or what, can’t a member of GCA post here any more
Without conspiracy theory’s

The seller say he will take the cross back problem solved

Cheers,
Ronny

[ben bijker]

Ronny, indeed you stated that you are a non-ek collector.
I don't say you are blind, but IMO it is remarkable that you alone came to this conclusion.
Usually it is very hard to see from a picture if it is paint or patina.

Of course there is no need to post the same thing on every forum (although some people do make a habit of it) .
And no one has a problem with a GCA member posting here, but I still think it is pretty remarkable.

And yes, the seller will take the cross back, although there is nothing wrong with it.

As I already stated: this is about revenge.

I think the sales thread of the 107 is still on the E-Stand, please check it out and tell me if the cross is ok, or that it has been repainted

Whats your point Ben

If you referring to me as to the non EK collector, which I stated myself

I sew this thread here at WAF long before the one at GCA so I felt no need to post the same there

And from the posted pictures it looks like there are paint on the rim, and just because I don’t collect EK’s doesn’t mean that I have to be blind

Are all WAF members going paranoid or what, can’t a member of GCA post here any more
Without conspiracy theory’s

The seller say he will take the cross back problem solved

Cheers,
Ronny

[ben bijker]

here it is...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=370026

[Ronny.R]

here it is...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=370026

It sure looks repainted too, I am looking for an EK1 107 but I wouldn’t buy this one

But I could be wrong on this one and the L/19 cross, I am only saying what I see and what I don’t like.

I’ll better stay in the wound badge forum from now


Cheers,
Ronny

[ben bijker]

No one has a problem when someone is expressing his or her opinion, or claiming that you should stick to " your" area of collecting.

The 107 is repainted, but Frank overlooked it, and so did I, although we have a lot of experience on ek's.
This is what I intended to make clear: it isn't easy to judge an ek from pictures only, especially when it comes to re-paint.

IF there is a paranoia on the forum it is about re-painted cores, it happens all the time.
I have picked up a number of crosses from the E-Stand that were sent back by the first buyer, because they claimed it had been re-painted, but none of them were...

Good luck on the hunt for a nice 107, they are out there.

[Dennis J]

his answer was " Without Detlev Niemann negative certification, I will not take it back!"

I do not understand what does DN have to do with our e stand?

Frank says he will take the badge back and send you your money case closed.

Enjoy your hobby
Dennis J

[Don D.]

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[ApathyL]

I have handled several crosses that had some traces of black in the same places, and took some back as well because the buyer claimed it was a repaint.
Usually it is nothing more then patina, because the protective varnish wasn't applied evenly.

Why don't you share the whole story with us, including the repainted 107 you sold to this seller?
Yes, I know you took it back, but you still deny it as repainted, so I suspect it will pop up again somewhere.

I have known Frank for over 10 years now, dealt with him on several occasions including high-end items, and never had a problem ever.

well anyway hope it gets sorted out, BUT for a fact, this guys sold my mate a very high end repro GAB #75, then when he took it back it went to Niemann, then sold there as a good one too...Ill try to dig out the thread if you like

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[ben bijker]

well anyway hope it gets sorted out, BUT for a fact, this guys sold my mate a very high end repro GAB #75, then when he took it back it went to Niemann, then sold there as a good one too...Ill try to dig out the thread if you like

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What are you trying to say here?
He took it back because your mate said it was fake.
So?

Frank sends a lot of stuff that he's no expert on to Detlev Niemann for authentication, and he relies on that.
It must have been a good fake the if Detlev was fooled by it as well, can't blame an ek-collector for it, can you?

Copies are getting better as well, it can happen to anyone.
So if you are going to fry everyone that has sold a copy in the past, I hope you have a lot of trustworthy collectors around you that you can buy from or trade with.
There will hardly be any sellers left.....

[5tefan]

well anyway hope it gets sorted out, BUT for a fact, this guys sold my mate a very high end repro GAB #75, then when he took it back it went to Niemann, then sold there as a good one too...Ill try to dig out the thread if you like

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DN and Frank are good friends!
And DN made some mistakes. I do not trust DN Certification only!

The collectors world is small and i've got a lot of information, of real experts!

And ben bijker, is always against me - so his opinion is not valid for me!

But you can follow ben's thread and you will see it is not the first time, to write personal thinks against me! But the response to the iron cross is very poor!

Thanks to the other opinions and to Frank, that he will take the EK1 back!

For me the case is closed!

[5tefan]

Many THX ;-)

@Ronny
Wound Batches is a very hard sector and I beleave, a discussion if the WB could be black, silver or gold could be also very hard! But to see if a cross is repainted or not, you need not to be an IC expert ;-)

Good job - Many THX ;-)

The L/19 looks not like second paint layer after assembly, due to to much iregular rest of painting particles (material)!

It is repainted and I need not DN for this ;-)

[ben bijker]

DN and Frank are good friends!
And DN made some mistakes. I do not trust DN Certification only!
There are not many people you can trust 100 % , I agree.

The collectors world is small and i've got a lot of information, of real experts!
It is a small world indeed, but do YOU need experts??

And ben bijker, is always against me - so his opinion is not valid for me!
No, not against you, against your very arrogant attitude.
And so far I have read nothing from your hand that was very useful.

But you can follow ben's thread and you will see it is not the first time, to write personal thinks against me!
Re-read your own threads and try to figure out my response.
It should not be to hard, not even for you.

But the response to the iron cross is very poor!
Sure.
So was the comment n the Juncker and your repainted 107, wasn't it?

Thanks to the other opinions and to Frank, that he will take the EK1 back!

For me the case is closed!

Good.