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**chris clark** · 12-16-2003, 07:15 PM

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**Dietrich Maerz** · 12-16-2003, 07:51 PM

Hi Chris,

a very nice Junckers cross. I like it.

Dietrich

**chris clark** · 12-16-2003, 07:56 PM

thankyou the middle rivit confused me.this was one of the items out of the lot shown on the other thread.

**Dietrich Maerz** · 12-16-2003, 08:03 PM

Hi Chris,

what a find and what a gentleman. I guess a nice dinner is the least you could do. The fifth center rivet is a sign for a Juncker, among others. It is a nice piece.

Dietrich

**Gordon Williamson** · 12-17-2003, 12:25 AM

Well done Chris. Always nice to see a good original "sleeper" DK turn up, especially a nice Juncker piece. Congratulations on your good fortune.

**McCulloh** · 12-19-2003, 08:12 AM

A real find.

**Iron Cross** · 12-19-2003, 02:36 PM

To me it´s OK a very good Geman Cross!!

**tom hansen** · 12-19-2003, 05:49 PM

Regarding this cross as well as the Juncker cross posted on the next post, I have a few questions. All the original juncker crosses that have been posted as well as that in Gordon Williamson's book and on this website have the same characteristics of the hinge, catch, "1941" plate, rivets. There have been two posted on this forum that have a catch that has an elongated ocal plate to which the catch is attached to the plate. Otherwise the hinge is thin as the others, the "1941" plate, and rivets. Is this an original variation or a fake? Thanks for any information. Why would the catch be so radically altered from the same manufacturer? I think that would cost too much to retool which leads me to believe something may be wrong with these other catches. Thanks

**tom hansen** · 12-19-2003, 05:51 PM

Sorry- to clarify- I have questions about the other catches described, not these posted.

**Dietrich Maerz** · 12-19-2003, 06:01 PM

Hi Tom,

if you look closely in Gordons book you will find the 'round' catch with no based plate on page 196 and the "flat" catch with the base plate on page 197. I think, this being the only variation, that this is 'just' a variation. One could argue that the use of the flat catch/base method was later and is a cross over from badges manufactured by Junckers (synergy effect?).

Dietrich

**tom hansen** · 12-19-2003, 06:06 PM

Hello Deitrich,
I don't know your first name. No, the catch to which I am referring is different than the one on page 197. There is an elongated oval plate which is attached to the face plate of the medal on which the catch is attached. I have a few pis on my computer I can email. I don't know how to post photos.

**Dietrich Maerz** · 12-19-2003, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by tom hansen

Hello Deitrich,
I don't know your first name. No, the catch to which I am referring is different than the one on page 197. There is an elongated oval plate which is attached to the face plate of the medal on which the catch is attached. I have a few pis on my computer I can email. I don't know how to post photos.

Hi Tom,

you know my first name, you don't know my last name

Send it to
dietrich532000@yahoo.com
and I will post for you.

Dietrich

**martin** · 12-20-2003, 12:07 PM

Nice

I haven't seen one of these crackers in a while. My initial gut reaction was that the middle rivet was just a wee bit sloppy compared to the others I've seen but I guess that's just me being pedantic again.

It looks great, especially that lovely teapot patina on the reverse.

Nice one.

**IVAN** · 12-23-2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by tom hansen

Regarding this cross as well as the Juncker cross posted on the next post, I have a few questions. All the original juncker crosses that have been posted as well as that in Gordon Williamson's book and on this website have the same characteristics of the hinge, catch, "1941" plate, rivets. There have been two posted on this forum that have a catch that has an elongated ocal plate to which the catch is attached to the plate. Otherwise the hinge is thin as the others, the "1941" plate, and rivets. Is this an original variation or a fake? Thanks for any information. Why would the catch be so radically altered from the same manufacturer? I think that would cost too much to retool which leads me to believe something may be wrong with these other catches. Thanks

catch in later light Juncker type are attached up at a plate.

ivan

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