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**ANDYG** · 12-14-2003, 03:01 PM

just a quick one on 134s ,are they always in the center or set in a given position on the reverse?? see mine

ANDYG

Originally posted by George Stimson

I think that the "134" Tom is looking at is good.

**tom hansen** · 12-14-2003, 03:28 PM

Andy-

I am a complete novice related to this stuff, but given the examination of the images of the fakes and real ones over the past two weeks, I can spot some things relatively quickly that I could not at all before. The "134" you have posted is exactly like what appears to be one of three styles of this stamp that I was able to find on the forum. As I had noted in my post, the "1" you have is rather "fat" while that on the fake that Marcus posted as well as Detlev Neimann's fake of the week is thinner. Also note how the bottom of the "3" ends with a blunted vertical upstroke that nearly touches the horizontal point of the center of the "3". the fakes end lower without this upstroke. The top horizontal bar of the "3" ends with a slight downstoke not apparent on the fakes, which terminate abruptly laterally.The horizontal bar of the "4" is nearly at equal height to the horizontal midpoint of the "3". The fakes are lower. That all looks good on yours.
The fake is slightly smaller. Detlev Neimann had noted the fake is under 63 mm (about 62.5), while the real ones are at least 63 mm in length and width.
you need decent calipers to measure this accurately.
Oddly, there seems to be three distinct styles of the Klein "1941" date listed as originals which appear outwardly identical, but are subtly different. When looking at the fake posted by Marcus and Detlev Neimann compared to the originals, the differences stand out. All three original examples are posted on this forum under "134 DKiG". There also, to the observations of a myopic novice, to be recessed and non recessed thin rivets to the Klein. Among the recessed variety one has a more generous defect into which the rivets were placed.The fake Marcus posted has thicker Zimmerman style rivets while those on the Detleve Neimann appear thin. Both, however, have that "cheesy" appearing "134" that seems to be uniform among the fakes.
There are obviously a host of other things people have brought up, but this helped me separate the fake from real. By the way, what part of Scotland do you live in? My wife and I(neither of which are Scottish) married in Scotland (Tarfside north of Dundee) just for the hell of it 15 years ago. Great country with very friendly people.

**IVAN** · 12-14-2003, 03:31 PM

Hi Tom,

yes, can be original. to be sure need to have in hands but many points are ok.
Probably this DK was cleaned , sure in reverse side.

ivan

**tom hansen** · 12-14-2003, 03:34 PM

Thank you Ivan. I appreciate your taking the time to look at it. I am glad you concur that it appears authentic by the iamges.

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