Cased EK1 Brass Core UM Juncker?

[Douglas 5]

Very nice , and the sharp ridges indidicate the die may have been touched up . Any of the other 2 corners ?

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Hi Mike and Mark :
After going over a few comparisons I can now say with absolute certainty that the cross pictured at the start is a touched up W&L Cross 2nd frame die with a 2nd core type . It is not a Juncker . The 2 pictures will show and prove why .
Cross hatching alone is not enough in this case .

Regards Douglas

[Douglas 5]

And the W&L frame and core types :

Douglas

[streptile]

Are W+L known to have produced brassies? Or is this a first?

[Douglas 5]

W&L did make and put out Tombak core EK1s , I have one .

Douglas

[evilmike]

other corners Douglas

[evilmike]

last corner

[evilmike]

couple of bonus piccies outside corners of the top 12 oclock edge

[evilmike]

lastly... Thanks Douglas for yor very indepth analysis

[militaria.no]

This is a very interesting topic and comparisons, and Mike - what a beautiful brass core cross

[Douglas 5]

Thanks Mike : Yours is a late brass core in a touched up 2nd frame . The first one I have seen using the 2nd frame .The one I have is in the tighter 1st frame where the inside points touch the larger Swastika core . Do you know why the 2nd frame die had to be re-worked ?

Douglas

[evilmike]

Do you know why the 2nd frame die had to be re-worked ?

Douglas

no i dont? the old romantic probably says to me someone tried bombing it

This one the core is loose, probably helped by the slight vaulting. So its all W&L Juncker would have been nice but just more shopping to do

Thanks Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Thats correct : it is only a W&L cross . Even so - on the other hand it turned out to be a frame variant with a harder to find brass core and the common 2nd paint type . A few of the early makers did start off/experiment with different types of paint .
The 2nd die started chipping badly and had to be re-worked .
A comparison of the thick 'creamy' paint on the top one to a heavy lead partical thinner paint on the bottom one .

Douglas

[WEISNER]

A Killer side by side comparison You have put together Here Douglas and much to be learned! Collectors worldwide are pulling their Juncker EKI's out for re examination! Wonder how many others will be found to be this type of W&L cross?
So Douglas.... When is the book due for release?
Great work!
Kevin

[Douglas 5]

Kevin - I am not doing a book , ... just working on a project that involves the 2 makers Juncker and W&L and how and what identifies each . Much confusion still exist in identifying them . As the example above shows , ... true and simulated cross hatching etc ... but it is the other fine flaw details that tells us that it is a W&L die ! CFI - Cross Forensic Identification .

Douglas