EK2 or RK Mini?

[Peter J.]

Hi Andreas,

I'm a bit lost in translation regarding "loop". The first part of your response is clear, but the attached image has nothing to do with loop, it's a 9mm pin-back version mounted on a metal button. Can you please elaborate.

cheers
Peter

[Andreas Klein]

Hello Peter,

sorry for my bad translation. With "loop" i meant a cloth ribbon which is put on a button and holds a mini. In the official german text it was called "Bandschleife".


As written you can distinguish the KC and the IC2 only by the way how the award was put on the ribbon.

hanging under the ribbon = KC
directly on the ribbon = IC2

Here is another example for an IC2 .... the offical text is "Schleifchen, neues EK mit Auflage 2. KL" and the price was 0,30 RM.

[Hans N]

This is from Döhles 1943 reprint

[Hans N]

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[Peter J.]

Thanks Andreas. This all makes sense, provided we accept the regulations from 1943 was the same pre-1941 and that 16mm EK's with loop never were issued on a metal button.

As for the position of the "jump-ring", there were both versions found on the 1914 EK2 (St.&L 1939 item 3979 and 9619) without any apparent reason, as there was no KC in that period. The explaination for two versions might be the fashion in which they were intended to be worn. Most 1914 EK2's that I've seen have had the "KC"-type of ring, which fitted directly on a metal-button. When looking at German minis in general, one will find both types of rings, even within the same group i.e the Flowermedals, hence the ring itself is IMO not enough to determine the class. If we could find an illustration of a KC 16mm mini from a pre-41 sales list (or any other period for that matter), this discussion might lead us somewhere.

Here's an image to illustrate the complexity. The ink is running out on my copy-machine, hence the poor quality. The three crosses all have the "KC"-ring and share the same size.

cheers
Peter

[Andreas Klein]

Hello Peter,

i have my informations directly out of the year 1941 when the problem with the "Bandschleife" pooped up.

It seems that the subject wasn't easy for makers and the stores too because often they produced/sold the KC version as IC2.

My knowledge on the "Frackspange" which is shown by you and how you could distinguish a KC or an IC there is limited, so i can't help at the moment.

[Peter J.]

Andreas, I've excerpts from the 1943 and 1945 edition of Dohle, but I'm not sure if this the 1941 edition. I assume it is, as the KC O/S isn't mentioned, can you please confirm this is correct?

cheers
Peter

[Andreas Klein]

Hello Peter,

i have my information out of different "Mitteilungen der Präsidialkanzlei" and not from the Doehle.

I don't think that they change the regulations that much because your text and pictures match the infos from 1941.

The only difference is the mini for the german cross. Since the german cross was introduced in September 1941 i would say that it was to fast for the mini to be shown in the Doehle of 1941.

Or was it printed late in 1941 after the german cross was introduced?

Personal i don't think so and would say your pages could be dated 1942 or later.

[Peter J.]

Hi Andreas,

I've just been informed by a fellow collector that this excerpt actually is from the 1943 edition, which was originally printed in Dec 1942. Funny though, not one of the viewers of this thread has reacted on a totally wrong assumption from my part i.e. how could this be a 1941 edition with the presence of a Krim shield, introduced in Juli 1942

cheers
Peter

[Miro O]

Hello,
I would like to refresh this interesting thread with my new Godet EK mini, which is my 8th one, but first "swas" piece. This is from Zimmermann hoard, thus not in very mint condition.

If I understand this thread correctly, this is RK mini?

Thanks in advance for opinions.

Miro

[Andreas Klein]

Perhaps a silly question but Godet stuff in the Zimmermann hoard???

[Miro O]

Godet & Sohn was mostly producer, but Godet & Co. was mostly retailer, as Sedlatzek, e.g.

Check the Godet thread in Imperial Militaria Forum.

Best, Miro

[streptile]

So you got it ... Congratulations.

[lordpage]

Both mini's very nice I really like the Godet.There is a buttonhole Oaks and Swords on emedals @ the moment which is mounted on a suspension ring just like it's big brothers,both these could be RK'S IMHO .Both nice things to have I have a EK2 spange on a buttonhole it's dimensions are 10mm by 12mm and does seem more in-proportion with an EK1.Good thins to have in a collection.


J

Really glad I checked my spelling I spelt buttonhole with an O instead of a U.

[Miro O]

So you got it ... Congratulations.

Thanks. Sometimes crazy coincidences happen. My sister lives in Burlington for ten years - and only now I know for what is it good, hehe.