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[Gerner]

Hi Fellows
i have 2x EK 2 mm 100 with 2 different stamps,one cross with one stamp and the other cross with a different stamp.Sorry but i have no picturesmhave anybody of you seen that before??? can say that the one stamp is like it sits in a half framme and then 100 inside that,and thr other is what i will call a normal stamp.If anybody have seen that and have pictures off it,i would be happy to see them.

[Robert P.]

Mine are all incuse relief (raised stamp within a box).

[Robert P.]

I just thought of something; The stamp used on the underside of the EKI pin is incuse impressed (without a box, just a number stamp), but the numbers are too large to fit on the ring of an EKII. There's no way you can get photos of your stamps, huh?

[streptile]

In my experience, which is more limited than Robert's, there is just one type of stamp used by W&L for their EK2s.

One thought which occurs to me is the marked '109' mystery. As far as I know there are no 100% known marked '109' EK2s, but one interesting candidate which has surfaced has a stamp similar to what you describe, if I understand you correctly. A mis-stamped '109' could look like a '100,' I'd think.

An important question to resolve this particular mystery is: have you compared frame and core details from your second (non-incuse) EK2 to make sure they match the known '100' EK2 details? '100' marked W&Ls have very easily identifiable characteristics, which a forum search should turn up for you.

[Robert P.]

In my experience, which is more limited than Robert's, there is just one type of stamp used by W&L for their EK2s.

One thought which occurs to me is the marked '109' mystery. As far as I know there are no 100% known marked '109' EK2s, but one interesting candidate which has surfaced has a stamp similar to what you describe, if I understand you correctly. A mis-stamped '109' could look like a '100,' I'd think.

An important question to resolve this particular mystery is: have you compared frame and core details from your second (non-incuse) EK2 to make sure they match the known '100' EK2 details? '100' marked W&Ls have very easily identifiable characteristics, which a forum search should turn up for you.

Good point Trevor,

A comparison is needed. Boy, you really dug to find this old thread. I only wish that mark was more complete/discernable. Postwar? ...Still a mystery.

[Gerner]

thank you for the answers untill now,tommorow i will try to see if i can take some pictures of them.

[Gerner]

so gentlemen
i have done my best,i found one more different thing with the crosses,the one have a hump where the little ring is weldet on,not the other,but the core ,frame,svastica numbers(1939) is indentical with the one here on WA.

here is the numbers.

[Gerner]

so gentlemen
i have done my best,i found one more different thing with the crosses,the one have a hump where the little ring is weldet on,not the other,but the core ,frame,svastica numbers(1939) is indentical with the one here on WA.

here is the numbers.

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[streptile]

Hi.

I believe that your crosses both have the same well-known '100' stamp, and that they are just slightly differently struck.

[Gerner]

Hi.

I believe that your crosses both have the same well-known '100' stamp, and that they are just slightly differently struck.

Thank you that was what i thougt,but was not sure.But anyway thank you for the help.

[Adrian]

Both marks look fine to me and if both crosses bear characteristics of Wachtler & Lange then you can rest easy!

[Douglas 5]

Interesting thing about this W&L marking . The company seams though did try a different larger raised maker mark 100 that - as can be seen from the attempt on the cross below - did run into alot of problems . I have only seen one other much better example of this but was unsuccessful in getting it . Not sure where the mm stamp was taken from ???? It seamed to require a flat surface first . Not sure if this was an all in one strke effort to achieve this or a 2 stage marking , which would have been very time consuming ??? For this larger mark to take or be ledgable required a flat surface . On a round surface you would only end up with this ; l ll ll ... more or less a bunch of lines . From the length of the flattened ring surface on both sides - about 1/5 th of the ring surcomfrance - alot more than the mark ever needed - ... it had to be a 2 stage marking attempt . And also remember the ring is already attched to the cross ! One miss and it's junk . Being on a hot weld may have helped to flatten the ring with less force as an allready cold weld would just have broke open .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

And the front side : The best I can due and it barely shows the depressions of the zero centers :

[Gerner]

Hi Douglas

very interesting things to read,i can tell the one off my crosses have not this Jump to weld the litle ring on.But all W&L features is there i have compared with all picture her on WAF,for me is it a mysterium

[Adrian]

Hi Douglas

very interesting things to read,i can tell the one off my crosses have not this Jump to weld the litle ring on.But all W&L features is there i have compared with all picture her on WAF,for me is it a mysterium

Great work by Douglas again, can you post a pic of the cross(es) Gerner?