Ubergrosse Iron Cross 2nd class opinions requested.

[Eddie]

Hi guys,
need your help please on this Ubergrosse Iron Cross 2nd class,
please let me know if this is original ?
last photo is comparison next to a Zimmerman IC 2nd class.

Is it true that this Cross was used as Knight Cross in some cases ?
and last question if anyone can tell me fare price on one of this ?

thanks in advance

kind regards,

eddie

[ejwahl1]

Eddie,

Do a search of previous threads and I believe you will find that the cross in question has been recognized as a fake. It has been "described" as an EKII Rounder and has the same characteristics as the RK's of the same name.

Regards,

Ed

[WEISNER]

Eddie, I also would worry about this 20 marked EKII, As of yet, No known 20 marked examples are known from My understanding. I think if these are from a dealers site I would start looking elswhere! Looks like Two strikes in one photo!
Kevin

[Adrian]

The cross is no good but on the bright side, the ribbon looks OK!

[fabri-online]

Hello Eddie,
I don't know if you want to say Fritz Zimmemann (6) or C.F. Zimmemann (20) however in my opinion EKII in the right is not good. In the true I have some doubts with the other EKII also, may be I 'm wrong because pic is little.
Original Ubergrosse in European Shops cousts more than 500 Euro.

[Robert P.]

I believe the cross on the left is a fake also. Could you please post a close-up photo of the 1813 date on this cross?

[grueni1208]

Both pieces are fakes.
right: new rounder fake version
left: Stuttgart fake

Regards

Daniel

[Robert P.]

Both pieces are fakes.
right: new rounder fake version
left: Stuttgart fake

Regards

Daniel

That's what I was thinking, Daniel. The bead step is really a giveaway. I suspicion the reverse to be like this....

[Eddie]

Thank you all for the comments and opinions,this crosses is not mine and i dont have better pictures i guess we dont need them since everybody on the same page that they both fake.

thanks again
kind regards,

eddie