EK2 Spange "first pattern

[George Stimson]

It's marked "800" on the reverse....

[Don D.]

George, are you saving that thing is made of silver?

[George Stimson]

I haven't had it tested, so actually I'm just saying that it's marked "800" on the reverse.

[tinmantis]

for years I've thought of that one as a fake George... finally I believe it's real!
(not sure about the 800 mark) although I think I can remember Weitze having one up for sale marked 800 a while ago too...?

and
Marshall, I wouldn't I touch that Juncker with a barge-pole!
regards
jon

[George Stimson]

Wow, Jon! You've finally come around?!!!!

[tinmantis]

took me nearly 4years George
didn't anyone mention I'm super paranoid/suspicious?!
regards
jon

[George Stimson]

"didn't anyone mention I'm super paranoid/suspicious?!"

Good for you! That's the way you should be in this hobby!

[Sammler]

This whole thread seems to be back at the starting line?

The only standard trend I have seen is that there isnt one?

After all of this at least mine is different then D's fake of the week .

[tinmantis]

far from the starting line
a lot of connections have been made

also
D's fake of the week has caused alot of confusion
he should've called it: D's cast of the week
casts can be so good, there's no way of telling by pics alone

also these 'swirly' spangen are so super rare, that I doubt if many, if any, collectors have had the opportunity to compare pieces 'in hand', which is adding difficulties
regards
jon

[Sammler]

Jon,

Thank you for all your well thought out facts. Your interest in these makes every one glad that posts a spange to see your input.

[tinmantis]

I have spent countless hours on this subject of late, cross-referenced long into the night...
here are my findings:

1st working die was the 'swirly' one, and a flaw under the numeral '1' began
somehow whatever machine was used to create this from the 'original model' didn't reach deep enough? thus the swirl pattern? a trial run?

A 2nd working die was made/used, with no flaw, but it began again

'tail feathers' were added later (flaw remaining)
At this time a 3rd similar working die was made/used (no flaw, and characteristic 'lined pebbling')

A final extra tail feather was then added to the 2nd die

Finally 'viens' were added to the 3rd die

then L/57 launched into the 2nd pattern spangen

the 1st and 2nd dies could have been producing side by side.

and as far as I can see, with the data avaliable, that's the story until more examples appear, either strengthening or weakening my theory...

now I must get back to my family, and start surfing porn again
regards
jon

[tinmantis]

just throwing numbers around:

450,000 EK2 spangen awarded
2,000,000 produced?

say 100,000 early patterns awarded?
400,000 produced?

early L/57s seem to have had about 60% of the market
they produced 240,000?

3 dies? 80,000 per die?!

I'd say a few 'working' dies, from a couple of working hubs?
so 7-8ish individual dies were banging out these early L/57s?

regards
jon

[streptile]

These are suddenly popping up with alarming regularity. From today's update: