EKII core from "C F Zimmermann burned factory lot"

[Roglebk]

Not even close in being the same, if you ask me.

/Flemming

Hi Flemming, i've circled the points of interest i think is a match. Remember the different angles of light and the deep strike of the upper one. Starting with the "left foot" of the number 1, it looks like it has the same angle and is slightly longer than the "right foot". Nose of the 1 looks the same length and angle. There's a flat part of the first 9 just where the gap is. The "slit" or oval hole of the 9's looks very similar, both in shape and the angle inside. Backside of first 9 has a slightly "wawy appearance" and is connected with the 3. Center part of the 3 looks the same to me. The "knobs" of the 9's and 3 looks very similar too i think. Hope Trevor can help and make his magic with the "transparent comparising method".

[Flemming]

TO my old eyes, I still think that the 9 and the 3 has a different gab on those two cores.
But as you said, it could be because of the angel.

Carl, could you please try to take a shot matching the angel, of the core, you are using for comparison ?

/Flemming

[Robert P.]

Thank you Carl,

I only wish we had someone who knew every step involved in the making of dies. It would be very interesting, and would serve in helping us understand how the makers revised or repaired their dies when they became overly damaged from too much use. I suppose there are just too many years between us now to fully know these things.

[streptile]

It's definitely a perfect match.

It's a little hard to show this without actually being able to see it move into place, so I'm showing 1 photo offset:


..and one perfectly overlayed:


There's no question that the identification is complicated by the side-light on the core photo that illuminates the sides of the date and makes it look imposingly tall. But I hope this overlay shows it...

[Robert P.]

Nice work,

So the core is a perfect match to the Godet, correct?

[streptile]

the core is a perfect match to the Godet, correct?

That's correct, a match to the Godet EK2. There's absolutely no question about it as I sit here and move it into place. If I could attach an animation, I'd do it. But there's no doubt. So (given the known connections between Godet and Zimmerman) I think it's fair to say that this is a core for a Zimmerman cross.

Also, I noticed that Detlev Niemann listed "several other "20" marked lower [EK] crosses" in that burnt horde. Leaves it open to speculation whether there may have been "20" marked EK2s among them...

Out of curiosity, Robert: what are the markings on that Godet EK2?

[Robert P.]

the usual '21' on the ring...

[Roglebk]

That's correct, a match to the Godet EK2. There's absolutely no question about it as I sit here and move it into place. If I could attach an animation, I'd do it. But there's no doubt. So (given the known connections between Godet and Zimmerman) I think it's fair to say that this is a core for a Zimmerman cross.

Also, I noticed that Detlev Niemann listed "several other "20" marked lower [EK] crosses" in that burnt horde. Leaves it open to speculation whether there may have been "20" marked EK2s among them...

Out of curiosity, Robert: what are the markings on that Godet EK2?

Thanks a lot Trevor! A dead match! I asked Barry if there was any EKII, cores or even frames found in the lot and he said no. He put this core as a EKI in the description.

[Flemming]

I am convinced that they are a match, good work

/Flemming...guess my eyes are getting old, or I should stop using my old laptop to do the comparison

/Flemming

[streptile]

Here's a nice deep-strike Godet core that looks like a damn good match to yours, Carl.

[Robert P.]

Nice cross Trevor,

Please show us more of your collection.....

[Roglebk]

Nice Trevor, if my core is made by C F Z or Godet we will never know, but it's nice to know that there is some kind of connection between the 2, IF the lot has not been messed with!