Juncker EK1 Spange?

[mmiller]

To All,

I am posting scans of two EK1 Spanges, below. The one on the left is the early pattern with concave date bar. It is, as it should be, unmarked. The spange to the right is L/12 marked, although it is not clearly visible in the scan.

Now the question is, is the early pattern made on the same dies as the Juncker marked piece? And realizing that the fixtures on the reverse of the badge are 'no guarantee', the hinge and pin appear to be identical on both pieces. The catch style is pretty insignificant.

I think they are both Junckers.

Opinions?

Mark

[Sorry about the large size, but I wanted to blow these suckers up.]

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Mark,

They both look extremely similar, many features I see are exactly the same. The only big difference I see so far are the heads, especially viewed from the reverse. Can they be from the same die if the date box is different??

Tom Durante

[mmiller]

Hi Tom, Any new CCCs lately?

I was probably in error making the statement from the same die. More appropois would have been 'made by the same manufacturer'.

Mark

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Mark,

I think same manufacturer is more accurate. The obverse matches almost exactly, feathers, wreath, circular depression under the eye, little bump on the top of the "3", etc..

Re CCCs, bought a beautiful bronze Gablonz. It matches some ground dug pieces I have, pin, hinge, crimping, die characteristics on the obverse, etc. Pretty excited about finding that one.

Also recently bought a nice Silver GWL. I was about 5 minutes too late on the L/53 that Weitze had up for sale. He wrote me and said I had it, then emailed me the next day and said I didn't have it! Very frustrating as I have been looking for one for over 3 years now. So, the search continues for my obsession..........

Compared to your Gold presentation piece you had on the other thread, these are all dirt though. You said it was attributed to a recipient? Dorr's book has several good pics of Hitler handing these out, is he pictured in any of them?

Tom Durante

[Gordon Williamson]

Mark,

I think you are 100% correct on Juncker as the maker. Apart from the more obvious similarities, look carefully at the wreath/swastika on the L/12 and the First Pattern I am attaching here. Although not instantly obvious if you look carefully it is slightly asymetrical, the way in which the blank is trimmed on the cropping tool leaves the wreath slightly wider on the left side than on the right.

Here's another presumed Juncker First Pattern, same features evident. Also, note that the swastika touches the wreath at the right side, but has around 1mm clear at the left.



And another




Reverse of the two above. Note that one has a rough and one a smooth reverse finish. Yours seems to be smoother, but has the same pin as the one with rough finish. The brightness of the scannar lampo accentuates the roughness. In reality it isn't as rough as it looks.



Well done Mark, I'm sure you've hit the nail on the head with Juncker as the maker.

[mmiller]

Thanks Tom.....Bummer on the L/53. I need one of those 'mothers' too. I think one is still available at Military antiques of Stockholm[ http://ww-2militaria.com/seclev/badaward2.htm ].. Scroll down the page. It's on sale for 325Euro, missing backplate, but who cares. If you buy it, II get the finders fee of 25%; hahahaha. Check it out!


Gordon,

Thanks for you expertise. I concur with you, This particular concave Spange was definatelt a Juncker. As we discussed before, the Spange has an interesting mix of shear marks and coarse file marks. BTY, you present very nice examples, as usual.

Regards,
Mark

[Thomas Durante]

Thanks for the heads up Mark. Unfortunately for you, one of the other members here was kind enough also to give me the heads up on this one. Sorry, but the finders fee goes to him

Tom Durante

[QUOTE=mmiller]Thanks Tom.....Bummer on the L/53. I need one of those 'mothers' too. I think one is still available at Military antiques of Stockholm[ http://ww-2militaria.com/seclev/badaward2.htm ].. Scroll down the page. It's on sale for 325Euro, missing backplate, but who cares. If you buy it, II get the finders fee of 25%; hahahaha. Check it out!

[Tim B.]

Finders Fee!



Glad to help Tom. I'll settle with your help on my bronze CCC woes.
Tim