Kvk1

[Wik]

Hi guys. I'm looking into getting this KVK1. It seems nice, and the price is right. I just started though and while I have been learning a good deal on EKs, I haven't done any research on KVKs yet. So any opinion on this piece real and great deal, or no go? Thanks for any input!


Ryan


These are the only two pics provided:

[Wik]

Forgot to mention, this is the description:


War merit cross 1 cl 1939 with swords. Unmarked but identified as a '43', Julius Bauer & Söhne, Zella-Mehlis. Its a early buntmetal piece. Excellent condition!

[jt327gir]

It looks like a good, un-marked "43" to me.

[EDIT] --- I didn't see your last post, identifying it as an unmarked 43. That pin style is the dead give-away that it's a 43.

John

[Wik]

It looks like a good, un-marked "43" to me.

lol well it seems that the late posted description has merit then lol.

[Wik]

Thanks John, do you mind if I ask (as I am trying to learn this stuff as I go) what about the pin exactly gives it away? The tip, the width, the size, shape, what about it was a dead give away? Thanks!


Ryan

[jt327gir]

I guess I ought to scroll down to see if I've missed anything before I post!

[Wik]

hahhaha no worries, guess we are just cross each other up with quick posts

[jt327gir]

The width and shape are the two determining factors with this maker's pin. Most other ones I've seen have the "coke bottle" shape, or otherwise are tapered. This one has straight sides for most of its length, and it is so wide compared to most other pins.

Thanks John, do you mind if I ask (as I am trying to learn this stuff as I go) what about the pin exactly gives it away? The tip, the width, the size, shape, what about it was a dead give away? Thanks!


Ryan

[rkhunter]

Looks like a nice one!

[Wik]

Thanks guys!

John, good stuff.

Hunter, I need to talk to you! PM inc

[Steve Campbell]

As an example of a different pin style found on these, here is one from my collection. This one is marked 1 for Deschler and Son, and as you can see it has a different shape pin that would set it apart from the one you have shown, even if it was unmarked.

[Wik]

This makes complete sense. I am assuming the KVKs are one piece molds, and not two or three piece like the EKs?

Also does the corners of each "arm" tell you anything like with an EK (as far as being rounded, or not, stuff like that)?

Thanks for the pic Steve.

Ryan

[Steve Campbell]

Yes, KVKs in both classes are a one piece item. I'm not an expert on these but I assume there must be some small variations to the front that the better versed collectors can use to id different makers. I don't think there are a whole pile of different makers of the 1st class of this medal. Also available without swords.

[Wik]

Yes, KVKs in both classes are a one piece item. I'm not an expert on these but I assume there must be some small variations to the front that the better versed collectors can use to id different makers.

Agreed. Can anyone maybe talk briefly about something like this?

I don't think there are a whole pile of different makers of the 1st class of this medal.

I guess I just figured there would be a ton just as there are for EKs and such. Having a significant less amount of makers can defeintly help to narrow down the list!

Also available without swords.

Not NEARLY as sexy w/o swords though....AMIRITE?!

Ryan

[Frank K]

The differences on the front are minimal. ID has to be done from the reverse and is a combination of hinge, catch, pin and sword handles.

In your case it's a 43 Julius Bauer & Sohne alright but the same pin can be found on L/11 Wilhelm Deumer's. So here it's the swordhandles that determines the maker.

There are about 20 makers of the swords type and and 13-14 of the version without swords.

THe version wo swords is more rare and is a nice clean design imo but it is a homefront medal.