EKII Übergrösse

[Roglebk]

Just wanted to show you a very nice oxidated one, frame is as black as the core.

[Roglebk]

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[Adrian]

That is a nice example! Great contrast between the beading and the frame.

[Tim Calvert]

I love the patina!!!! There are some out there who would clean it!!!!!

[Robert P.]

Beautiful cross! I would think the frame must have a silver content, perhaps coin silver = 60%. I know the early Juncker EKII's had such frames, and they are dressed with a black patina as well. ...Just a guess on my part.

[Douglas 5]

Very nice U'bergrosse EK2 . It appears as Robert said to be struck on coin silver stock . The silver frame was polished and laquered to keep it from tarnishing . It is the laquere coating that over time has chemicaly broken down and is reacting with the silver surface . The black silver oxid has bonded with the desolving laquere - turning it into a sticky- wax like coating that can be scratched with ones finger nail .
S&L and Juncker made a few early crosses this way . Here is one Juncker on coin stock .

Douglas

[rkhunter]

Hi, lovely EK's that has been posted up, I just love the patina that you get on these early ones!

Kai

[Roglebk]

Thanks a lot you all!

Robert and Douglas, that confirms my thoughts about the silver content, a silver plated frame could just not get that color i guess? And as Douglas says the black coating does come off easy.

[Douglas 5]

This needs a bit more clarification when I get back from work today .

Douglas

[Roglebk]

Thought about it and guess that a silver plated frame could get that color too, since it's pure silver too and only a bit thinner than a massive one. How can you really tell if the frames are made of "higher grade silver alloy" and not just plated? The oxidation does not come off that easy, but scratching with a fingernail sure thins it out on the edges.

[Robert P.]

Here are three photos of an early Juncker cross with the hand-applied frosting, and darkened coin silver frame. Notice, the oxidation is just as black as the painted core. The (3) typical Juncker flaws pointed out.

I also have an untouched 800-marked G. Brehmer EKII with mint frames and beading, the lacquer on this cross doing a much better job protecting it's silver frames.

[Robert P.]

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and the full view....

[Steinar]

woow killer patina Robert