EKII 1939 'Prinzen' mm800 C.F Zimmermann

[Roglebk]

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[Montgomery Burns]

fore some reason i still don't believe in prinzen ek 1939
with swastika.

maybe hanging on a flag or banner ,,, or some other use ,,,but,

not to be on a uniform ( its a thing from imperial elite)

if, there's an ek to be found that is convincing about his origin ..ill will be happy to applaud

until than ,,,,,this ek only proofs to be desirable as period.
but proofs nothing at all.

and also i wood like to know the specific rules to judge a ek prinzen or half size .

what wood that rules and characteristics be like ?

isn't that the first thing we have to find out and agree on ?

or do i miss something here ?

ps, is it to bold to say that a prinzen with swastika wood be in schinkel form
not in LDO form in design .(like this one )
because, before the LDO norm came, variations where possible ,,and well known to be produced in those day's
or better,,, the maker wood get away with it more easy ?
I wonder ?

regard kay

[ApathyL]

[QUOTE=Roglebk;3166058] believing it to be fake since there are no pics of people wearing 1939 Prinzen and no authenticated crosses from veterans has shown up so far. QUOTE]



Honestly, Im a beliver, why not, bcause some collector here says he never saw one its a fake why rule it that way ? so stupid! There is so many things from the T.R. that has not surfaced yet. This sure is a nice cross!.

cheers, Les.

[Montgomery Burns]

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believing it to be fake since there are no pics of people wearing 1939 Prinzen and no authenticated crosses from veterans has shown up so far. QUOTE]



Honestly, Im a beliver, why not, bcause some collector here says he never saw one its a fake why rule it that way ? so stupid! There is so many things from the T.R. that has not surfaced yet. This sure is a nice cross!.

cheers, Les.

Honestly, Im a beliver, why not, bcause some collector here says he never saw one its a fake why rule it that way ?

misunderstanding is so easy to happen ,,,


if, there's an ek to be found that is convincing about his origin ..ill will be happy to applaud

[Don D.]

When they first started making the '39 crosses they used left over stocks of frames from the '14-18 series crosses. If a prinzen cross was made logic would dictate that left over prinzen frames or dies for frames were used also. All these crosses would have been produced prior to Hitler's mandate that the size be changed from 42mm to 44mm. You really need to compare it to Imperial examples to find the truth.

[Roglebk]

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[streptile]

Wow, looks great. I for one am sometimes in favor of a responsible cleaning of a period decoration. I know there are some who would never do it, and I respect that view, too. But your cross confirms me in my belief. Mind you, I'm not talking about household silver polish... Nice!

[tinmantis]

I don't know if this has been said before, but maybe it was just for display
a Zimmermann window display etc...
regards
jon

[Steinar]

It looks like a toy

[Roglebk]

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[Roglebk]

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[streptile]

Can we see new detail photos now it's cleaned up a bit? I for one love this cross and would love to see more of it.

[LuckyLuudje]

If you really think that this could be real and you want as much as proof as possible, the first thing that has to be proven is that the story of that lot of the burned out building is really true.

Till now it is for me (and not only me) still only a "story".
As far as I heard about it, the origin of this story started by people that make a living from money of us collectors! Not the people I personally trust the most.

I already think about the next horde that will be found.
I wouldn't be surprised that a few boxes of Balloon Observers will be found in a Zeppelin that has been lost at the end of the war and now found again in the North Sea when drilling for Oil.

Regarding to this ek2 in question.
I will not call it fake because I really don't know.
I know that I never had such an EK before with provenance.
And Zimmerman is not the first hersteller that I would expect to have made these...but I also learned that everything is possible!
Although I wouldn't want it in my collection, I will still be open minded.

If this prinzen is real, I would start to investigate Imperial Prinzen.
And if you found the match, try to find if there is any connection with Zimmerman (to make it more plausible that the core has not replaced).

[streptile]

...the first thing that has to be proven is that the story of that lot of the burned out building is really true. Till now it is for me (and not only me) still only a "story". As far as I heard about it, the origin of this story started by people that make a living from money of us collectors! Not the people I personally trust the most.

I, too, am very curious to know exactly where and how to "Zimmerman Fire" story originated, and any details about it. Does anyone know for sure? Does it have (or deserve) a thread of its own to collate information and sort it all out?

Can anyone sketch the broad strokes as it's currently told? When was the hoard discovered? By whom? Where? I just haven't heard the details and it's used as provenance for so many items.

~TR

EDIT:

I did a search through the forum for a thread on the Zimmerman Fire, and found none. So I've started one here.

[Roglebk]

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