Fake Round 3 Schinkel B anyone ?

[Douglas 5]

Hi all :
Anyone know of or have any pictures of a fake Schinkel B - "Round 3" Type EK2 ?
Found a few Schinkel B flat top 3 's , that are indicated as a possible post war veterans issue .

Cheers, Douglas

[George Stimson]

Not me.

[Douglas 5]

WHW tinnies , KvKs, Mother Crosses up to Diamond KC Oaks have been faked .... no Round 3 Schinkel Bs ?? They actually missed one ??

Douglas

[George Stimson]

Not yet. (That we know of, anyway.... )

[Douglas 5]

Thanks George ;
Not hoping for any , but just wondering if there were any fakes . Have to wait for others to recover from last night yet .
I do have a picture of your Schinkel B , that is utmost interesting ; now as colors in pictures at times do not show correctly is yours mounted on a orange or red ribbon ?? I do have a few other questions too . May I post your cross ?

Cheers Douglas

[ben bijker]

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[Douglas 5]

Ben :
Being not easy to find , as many here - as it seams have been looking for one for many years - I just acidently ran into mine a month ago without even looking for one . There are 5 other member that have one and besides die wear all seam to match execpt for the date on the one George has . Now some have the orange type EK2 ribbon and some the usual red type ribbon .
Most of these are 2-bar mount with a Wehrmacht or Luftwaffen 4 year service medal . Is the 4 year S Medal added on to a bar later and the single mount traded for a new 2 piece bar setup - upon receiving the Schinkel EK2 ? Receiving both pre-war ????
A question as well ; The 4 year Service awards were issued pre war , did they all have the Swastika on them .... as far as I could find info on them ... yes .
I find this very important : for 2 reasons ; ... The use of a Swastika on an issued award pre war ! Then this Vet thing comes to mind ; flat 3 Shouval Schinkel Bs for Vets post war and how about the Schinkel B round 3 ... as a 're-issue' only for vets pre war and possibly just into the start of the war ??????????? Quit logical for Shouval to use that same cross design again ! Would fit and also would answer a question if the Ek was in consideration and or production any time prior to Sept 1st 1939 official new EK Cross design series announcement . And stocks of orange type EK2 ribbons being used up post Sept 39 .

Douglas

[Bob Hritz]

I have seen the flat topped 3 types that I could believe are post war.

However, here is one that came from my ads, back in the 1970s that I do believe is wartime made.

Bob Hritz

[Bob Hritz]

Verso

[ben bijker]

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[Douglas 5]

Bob:
I see no difference to this one and the other flat top 3s . That ring placement markring I have seen on a fake EK1 frame too . Difficult ... one . What in your oppinion points to war time production ?

Douglas

[George Stimson]

Mine.

[George Stimson]

The whole bar.

[Douglas 5]

Very nice 5 piece bar . So your EK2 may have been issued first - maybe mounted some orther way first as i assume all awards were not issued all together at the same time ?
Douglas

[Bob Hritz]

I know it is hard to describe fit, finish and paint, from a photo. I illustrate, in this post, a Souval 2nd Class that I can easily believe is post-war. The fit and finish is inferior; the painting, of the core, was done after assembly, leaving paint overspray on the frame; and, the paint is not a hard, baked on finsih. The plating of the frame is inferior to the cross I posted above.

Of course, it is very possible that both are post-war and one is just a better production than the other. However, Souval did not suffer under the Russian occupation and I believe their original dies survived, by the amount of post-war production.

Now, the question goes as to why Souval would produce a second set of dies, with a completely different pattern from their accepted wartime Iron Cross dies. I do not have the answer and that is what makes studying these awards so fascinating.

Bob Hritz