Question about Floch Fakes

[Ron P]

Please enlightened me. Where the hell is his junk made? Does he use legitimate award manufacturers? Does he have origional dies? China? Pakistan? Latvia? Also, what is the list of type of awards he has produced and how far back has he been doing this? Any info is welcome. Regards, Ron.

[Steinar]

well i don't know anything about this loser Floch, but he cant be using original dies, at least not from ek1/2 since every bit of a floch made cross is plain DEAD UGLY. From beading to hardware, from 'rust' to dates. Its just no good.

I first heard about Floch here on the lovely WAF... the one and only!!!!!

[Dennis J]

qoestion about Floch Fakes

Please enlightened me. Where the hell is his junk made? Does he use legitimate award manufacturers? Does he have origional dies? China? Pakistan? Latvia? Also, what is the list of type of awards he has produced and how far back has he been doing this? Any info is welcome. Regards, Ron.

Do a search of the forum and you will find your answers.I have known about him since the middle 50's.

Enjoy your hobby
Dennis J

[Steinar]

what Floch's been around for over 50 years ??

[ben bijker]

If I recall well, Floch started of with left-over stock that he bouht everywhere.
After that he had his "own" awards made.

Loser?
no way.
Crook??
Yes.
He has abused (and still does) the lack of knowledge amongst collectors.

There's only one thing you can do about it: study!!
(but he has been around for almost 50 years, that says enough, doesn't it.......)

Best regards,
Ben

[Robert P.]

Over the years he has dabbled in other awards such as the 1st class spange, etc....Just do a search in any of the forums using 'Floch'. He has many numbered stamps, on and on.

[Leroy]

It is very hard to stay mad at John. He is a likeable rogue and is really extremely knowledgeable. I hear that he is retiring soon and has already sold the great bulk of his badge inventory (both good and bad, mostly bad) to an American dealer, who was seen leaving a recent show with box after box.

I will personally miss him after all these years, despite the "learning curve pain" he has obviously inflicted.

[Dennis J]

Question about Floch Fakes

It is very hard to stay mad at John. He is a likeable rogue and is really extremely knowledgeable. I hear that he is retiring soon and has already sold the great bulk of his badge inventory (both good and bad, mostly bad) to an American dealer, who was seen leaving a recent show with box after box.

I will personally miss him after all these years, despite the "learning curve pain" he has obviously inflicted.

Come on Roy if you know Floch like you say you do you know that he is nothing more than a pos con man.He likes to hang out in bars and flash his wad of money that he made by ripping people off and helping other people do the samething he does.All the big name dealers know and have known him and have bought from him for over 50 years that is 1/2 of a century.What does that tell you about them.HE has supplied Snyder,House of swords and too many more to name. He is at all of the big money shows and If he did not have what you want he knows where to get it and he will get it for you or for a fee he will sell you the name of the person that can help you get what you want.Bottom line a pos ripppppppp off scumbag .

Enjoy your hobby
Dennis J

Enjoy your hobby
Dennis J

[don-zamo]

I just cant see why people flood the market with fakes when theres plenty of real examples about. Obviously they do it to fool and con people and make lots of money, but honestly, they must have no morals.

James M

[Leroy]

Dennis - I'm not defending the bad things he has done! It's just that he's not the one-dimensional evil person most people picture him as, dealing only in pure fakes. He has had perfectly real items, too, and has found and brought to the marketplace all sorts of good things (the hoard of '30' gold wound badges, the 'JFS' IAB's still in tissue, etc., etc.) in addition to the ones he is infamous for. If you need help on a translation, he'll do it. If you are looking for photos of Klessheim for research, he'll let you scan his, if you have a question about some obscure insignia, he'll tell you. Will he sell you a big time fake? Of course he will and with a smile, too. So long as you know that in advance, you can fend for yourself. That's all. Amoral? You bet!

[Steinar]

every floch made cross we can get should be destroyed

[don-zamo]

every floch made cross we can get should be destroyed

im with you there steinar i think personally, the source should be destroyed but thats another matter only kidding. just think how much money people have been conned out of because of people like him..... and he has morals? pfft, tell me another one

[Leroy]

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amoral [aim-mor-ral]
Adjective
without moral standards or principles

[Robert P.]

Maybe the dies will be destroyed finally. Let's hope so.

[ben bijker]

Maybe the dies will be destroyed finally. Let's hope so.

I don't see that happen, Robert...
Too much money involved.

Best regards,
Ben