PS....Dietrich has suggested I am "known to him"?....As I have only ever posted a hand full of messages on this forum and am not familiar to any members of this excellent forum, I wonder how it is that I am "known to him" and what exactly he means by this statement?
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I would very much like to say, what man has made man can make again. If you have a piece to copy, them it can be totaly cloned. The only problem, is two fold, firstly the skill of the workman and secondly the cost. If the cost is conciderably less than that which the original will fetch then it is a go situation.
Also if sold into the market with some form of provinance, then it will be indistiquishable.Comment
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but if you make a copy of an award, your probably, or most likely ain't using the correct equipment... and there must be some way to see how old it is... or?
most people have never had an award like this in hand, how can they know every angle etc when they fake it...perhaps they are looking at a fake when they make it
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The top jewlers, diamond setters are making exact replicas of items from all periods of history. This is from 0 AD through 1200, to today. As said if the piece to copy is in hand, the right workman, the result will be a clone. As to age, this is also possible.Comment
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Our new friend Howard is no longer with us. The reason being that he is (was) a former expelled member with a problem with diamonds and with me. But no worry, he will be back to voice his important opinions again
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Followed this Ding-dong with great interest,The above comments are very true. skilled craftsmen can replicate virtually anything required nowadays, regardless of what it is, particularly with modern techniques and after a period of ageing can not be distiguished from an "Original", it may, after deliberation be put into the "It may be or maybe not" catagory, as has happened here. The point is that, given the uncertainty, who, except the cerebrally challenged or the finacially over-previlaged would buy such a piece?, remember, an items value is NOT the same as it's liquidity of assets. It may be worth this to someone, (who paid the price for it), but who is going to pay you that much for it?, therfore in the end it is worth zilchOriginally posted by WARLORD View Post
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Hmmm
In spite of Howards comments I still feel that the only way to make an exact copy it would be needed to disassemble an original set. Certainly very nice repros could be made by a skilled jeweler based on observation and measurement without doing so but there would still be subtle differences. Of course I would be willing to bet that the original molds or dies for the components still exist in the Klein vault. I wonder how much monetary persuasion it would take to have a few reproduced in platinum and rose cut diamonds with appropriate markings?
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this Fake has make believe diamonds, whatcha think
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A lot of talking in this thread...
Three simple questions:
Has anyone here had an original Eichenlaub mit Brillianten in his hands before?
Does anybody here has a proof if they are real or fake?
Is it possible to make a clear statement about the originality or not with only one small picture from Stauffer?
IMO most of the statements in this thread are damaging the seriousness of this forum!Comment
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If my information is correct, were'nt all the \OLSD/GOLSD, individually, and persionally hand crafted and that no two pieces were exactly the same, if that's the case it seems a pointless argument as to determining what is period original and what's not, unless Ulrich Rudel or other Brilliantrager personally handed them over to you with a written guarantee that they are his, and that he has not done the same to many others.Originally posted by Mike Coleman View Post
A fools world. It may be a case of "A fool and his money are soon parted"
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Speaking only for myself, I have held three different sets over the last many years, all from Wolfe-Hardin and all claimed to be real, with documentation. I have no personal way of confirming that they WERE real, but they were certainly believed to be.Originally posted by mbberlin View Post
I have a question about the Hartmann "B" set (which I have no reason to doubt). The swords on this set cross in an opposite direction from those seen on other sets and the "dot" pattern in the hilts also appears to be different. Is the Hartmann set itself a "Dupla" or should such variances be expected?
Because virtually all of the awarded diamond sets (both "A" and "B") are accounted for, does anyone know if additional sets, varying from those officially handed out (or present at Klessheim) were available to recipients?Comment
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I had several sets not only in my hands but I could investigate them for some time, including measurements, detailed scans and photos. The sets were real and you can believe that or you don't.Originally posted by mbberlin View Post
The Diamonds in the Stauffer auctions are fake and one does not need to have originals in hand to determine that. They are as crappy as crap can be. Neither the form nor the make correspond to known and proven originals.
The seriousness of this forum would be very much damaged if 'we' could not determine that the set in question is a fake.
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