1939 PRINZEN EK2 - Niemann COA..

[Biro]

Interesting to see this listed with Barry at emedals today...

A hither-to unseen Prinzen size 1939 EK2 (to date, merely considered legend) apparently found as part of the Zimmerman fire hoard with Niemann's COA.

Given that the Zimmerman RK's and GC found in the so-called 'burned out factory' were at the very least real examples, this would be a very important discovery for the community as long as ... wait for it... the story is indeed true.

Anyone interested?

Marshall

[Biro]

Rev..

[WEISNER]

Yes!

[tinmantis]

why a prinzen EK2? for a medal bar? where all the 'other' prinzen medals?
where are the prinzen EK1s?
regards
jon

[ben bijker]

We DO have Prinzen Spange....

But I don't like it either, for some reason....

Best regards,
Ben

[Montgomery Burns]

a ugly rusted cross,,,

thats what it is ,,,,,

thats what i dont like...

i'm not asking but ,,,i know i dont like the price to,,,, if i wud ask

Ben,,,,, do jou have a picture off a good one ?????

[Dietrich Maerz]

Must be a recent discovery by Niemann since he does not list this "Prinzen" in his 2004 price guide. So not even he, he who has handled orders and medals for years day in day out, had seen one before.

It seems that he was convinced, however, that the Zimmermann hort was undisturbed and nobody was adding to it ... Who's to know? I certainly don't and I wouldn't know how to determine whether this one is a good one or not.

[Montgomery Burns]

where's is the fire dammage?????????

[Hank C.]

How about a closeup of what appears to be a maker mark on the ring?

Hank

[vonStubben]

Must be a recent discovery by Niemann since he does not list this "Prinzen" in his 2004 price guide. So not even he, he who has handled orders and medals for years day in day out, had seen one before.

It seems that he was convinced, however, that the Zimmermann hort was undisturbed and nobody was adding to it ... Who's to know? I certainly don't and I wouldn't know how to determine whether this one is a good one or not.

Dietrich,

13 years ago I found two 1939 "prinzen" EKII's within one week of one another. Both were found in Maine and although I believe that they probably came from the same estate, they were purchased from two seperate antique dealers who had bought them at a local auction. I allowed a very good friend of mine (a WWII US Army vet and collector) to talk me out of them both with the promise of my having "first right of refusal" if he decided to sell either of them at any time. Unfortunately he died and his mail order bride (40 years his junior) sold everything he had immediately to the first wolf who came to the door (two days later) for nothing,...........and we are talking a house full of stuff.

They do indeed exist, are made like a normal iron cross, and are extremely rare.

Boy do I wish I still had one now!

Regards,

Chuck

[Don D.]

How about a closeup of what appears to be a maker mark on the ring?

Hank

I agree. Perhaps that will shed some light on the subject.

[Montgomery Burns]

thats a 800 stamp,,,,,,,,

regards kay

[Don D.]

That would make sense since at the beginning of the war they used the same materials and methods as the Imperial crosses. Perhaps they anticipated a need for prinz-grosse awards. All those General Officers with thier huge medal bars of WW1 awards.

[Montgomery Burns]

wel don ,,,,dont hope to much that there is a good reason,,

especialy the nazie partei hated the higher and royal establischment ,,,

and there habbits and also there love fore a lot off bling bling in form off medals and other ohnors ,,,,,,mostley beeing given to easy and fore nothoing becose off the rank off the family

prinzen crosses where specialy made fore that royal and higher establischment,,,

adolf wanted the cross back fore the small heroic man ,,,,

jou can forget prinzen

in my upiniun

[Don D.]

Kay, the manufacturers had no reason to believe that the awards for WW2 would be any different than those of previous wars. And there were yet plenty of royalty and higher establishment running around in 1939. What we need to do is examine the piece to see if it conforms to period construction techniques and materials. It would not be the first nor the last time that manufacturers jumped the gun making an award that was never authorized. I have a cloth German Cross in Silver even though they were never officially authorized.