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    Juncker EKII

    Hi all ,

    I thought I'd share a new cross that came in today, an early unmarked Juncker EKII. Looking it over closely I see that the frosting is the 'chemically applied' type which takes away some of the finer details on the beading, although it is still quite nice. If I'm not mistaken this was Juncker's second method of 'frosting' the beading, the first being hand-painting the frosting material directly to the beading, circa 1939. It appears to have a nickel silver jump ring, although it could possibly be a thin layer of nickel silver over a copper or brass ring. The ribbon ring is a large 14.75mm outside dia., 1.65mm dia. silver wire. The cross measures 44.51mm wide, and 44.30mm tall, 4.28mm thick, 1.53mm thick rim. I'm presuming the frame is nickel silver over neusilber or tombak, although it could be made from early 50% coin silver. I'm sure someone will correct me on this. The frame fits tightly over the core, which is magnetic. Both halves of the frame look to be the same thickness. Something interesting to note, and especially noticeable on the reverse view of the cross, are the inside corners of the frame don't come together in the center uniformly. The left side upper corner is a little higher than the right corner. I've noticed this feature on my other Juncker crosses.

    You may have noticed this week that two other unmarked crosses like these on a popular Hamburg site sold for $390.00 ea. I found this one for considerably less. With shipping this would be well over $400.00 for an unmarked EKII, well within the cost of a marked EKI. I don't know what's driving these crosses through the roof, but it was very surprising to me to see these two fetch that amount.

    I hope you enjoy the photos...

    Robert
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          This is the same cross under different lighting showing the (3) main die flaw areas on these crosses...
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            #6
            WHat a nice cross, and I really like the way you take photos

            Are you using a ring light when you are photographing your crosses?

            /Flemming

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              #7
              Thanks Flemming,

              I used the light ring for the last photo only, the others under an incondescent light.

              Robert

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                #8
                Originally posted by robert pierce View Post
                the others under an incondescent light.

                Robert
                What would that be?

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                  #9
                  Very nice one Robert
                  I got the same one with a different core , measurements are the same , core moves on mine . I see the two dent marks on your jump ring post 4 . Are they on both sides ? ( Coin silver is 60%) .

                  Douglas

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by robert pierce View Post
                    Hi all ,

                    " I don't know what's driving these crosses through the roof, but it was very surprising to me to see these two fetch that amount."

                    Robert
                    I think its the 'J' (Juncker) word Rob.

                    Juncker awards always seem to be favoured by collectors.

                    Allan
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                      #11
                      Nice cross robert , i have yet too aquire one for my collection but who knows someday hey

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                        #12
                        Flemming, incondescent is a standard 60 watt bulb.

                        Yes, Douglas, backside has two dents as well. Thanks on the 60% coin silver.

                        I felt really fortunate getting this cross for only $109.00. It's in very nice condition.

                        Robert

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
                          Very nice one Robert
                          I got the same one with a different core , measurements are the same , core moves on mine . I see the two dent marks on your jump ring post 4 . Are they on both sides ? ( Coin silver is 60%) .

                          Douglas
                          Nice ek2 in a good condition Robert, good find.
                          And they are out there for reasonable prices if you search hard

                          Douglas, the dents are interesting.
                          I never looked at them, but I just checked my ek's from this type.
                          One of them has strange dents on the ring also.

                          Do you think these marks are used for the silvergrade?
                          Is the meaning the same like for instance the 3 dot mark on my L/59?
                          And have you seen these marks on other makers as well?

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                            #14
                            although a nice cross I cant see ANY reason that they should cost this kind of money. Condition or quality isnt better than ie W&L. But people are buying them so I understand that some dealers take this kind of money.

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                              #15
                              I collect the Juncker for study and research. I enjoy their lineage. As far as condition and quality, I'd honestly rather have a nice Zimmermann or S&L. Juncker, at least during this short period, chemically treated the beading and took away a lot of the engraver's fine detailing. It was a way to increase production, but it certainly took it's toll on quality. But, you're right, anything associated with the Juncker name brings big bucks today, at least for some.

                              Robert

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