EK1 spange Juncker - WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[germanmedals]

I came across of this EK1 spange marked L/12 - Juncker. What do you think, could it be original?
Thanks

[Biro]

..What do you think, could it be original?...

Looks like a nice find to me - all the standard 2nd pattern Juncker characteristics.

I think George Stimson has its twin brother. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron.../screwback.htm


Marshall

[-=Re-Sa=-]

I dont like this IC1 clasp

[Flemming]

These two date bare does differ a little.
I am not sure this could be because of the hand finishing?

Alsolook how "pointy" the top of the number "3" is on Georges example.

/Flemming

[ben bijker]

I have got a similar clasp, marked as well, and I really like it.

Opinions are divided though, I did post mine a while ago and got mixed comments.
I guess time will tell.
If they have reached this level of faking, might be time to quit....

Regards,
Ben

[Flemming]

If they have reached this level of faking, might be time to quit....

Regards,
Ben

But you must admit that there are some differences in the date bar.
I am not saying any of these are fakes though, as I wouldn't know.

/Flemming

[ben bijker]

But you must admit that there are some differences in the date bar.
I am not saying any of these are fakes though, as I wouldn't know.

/Flemming

I don't know, re-worked die maybe??
Really can't tell you, and there is no proof either way...

Regards,
Ben

[-=Re-Sa=-]

I dont like the clasp because it comes from a suspicious dealer that has two, totally alike for sale. I was looking for any flaws, and i found the flaw in the 1939. For me it is not a good clasp, it is a fake.

[ben bijker]

I dont like the clasp because it comes from a suspicious dealer that has two, totally alike for sale. I was looking for any flaws, and i found the flaw in the 1939. For me it is not a good clasp, it is a fake.

MAybe you are right.
But with this seller it's the opposite of the rest: most dealers sell an occasional fake, this one sells an authentic one from time to time.

One thing doesn't automatically rule out the other.

Best regards,
Ben

[-=Re-Sa=-]

the spange does not have the appearance and the form of original spanges, also the edge of the shield where the date is, is not rounded to the inside but it is flat - a straight line.
regards
Sasha

[ben bijker]

I agree they are not exactly the same, but who stated they came from the same die?

The curves on the date box are to be found on the first patter, the second pattern has straight sides.

Best regards,
Ben

[DavidM]

Hello

Sasha, you are comparing a 1st pattern bar (the lower pictured bar in your last post) to what could be an intermediary or 2nd pattern bar. Also, if the 1st pattern bar in your last post is an original then are some definate similarities to the other, which might suggest an intermediary pattern bar - one of, I believe the hardest versions of any bar to come across.

Regards
David

[tinmantis]

Hi all
for what it's worth, I don't like the first spange shown
there's always a few on Epier if you want a bargain one!
regards
jon

[ben bijker]

Hi all
for what it's worth, I don't like the first spange shown
there's always a few on Epier if you want a bargain one!
regards
jon

Well, noty a the moment.
Only a clearly cast L/21 first pattern.....
(100% original, of course)

Regards,
Ben

[tinmantis]

is this it:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=L%2F12+spange
regards
jon