Knightscross, real or not??

[Dion]

Hey Guys,

I have 2 questions about this KC.
1) Is it real?
2) If not, who could the maker be and is it a well known fake?

I`d greatly appreciate any comments on this piece, as I`ve had it for quite a while now, and have never really known what to make of it?
I`m convinced that the ribbon is right, and there might be one or two things on the cross that are good indications, but there are also, IMO, a couple of red flags??

Many thanks in advance for any comments.

Dion

[Dion]

The obverse. This cross is of three piece construction with a magnetic core. The swas is virtually as high as the beading, but not quite.
Dimensions are: 48,8mm top to bottom and 48,6mm from side to side.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Hello Dion,

unfortunately your cross is a fake - the so called 'dipping ring'. I would also think that the ribbon is not good - very seldom are theses little miniature ribbons found on a good one.

Dietrich

[Dion]

The eyelet on the obverse

[Dion]

The swastica close up

[Dion]

The reverse eyelet with 800 stamp and what looks to be a 1?

[Dion]

The reverse date 1813

[Dion]

The ribbon ring stamped 935

[Dion]

Lastly, the ribbon tie. Looks to have been done quite professionally?

[Dion]

Hi Dietrich,

Thanks for your comment. But could you elaborate on the "dipping ring"?
I`m not not familiar with that phrase?
Thanks.

Dion

[Dietrich Maerz]

Dion,

with the normal crosses, i.e. the ones accepted as real the ring does not dip into the frame but is rather "cut off" by the frame. With your example the ring has the full circumference and the lower parts intrudes into the frame - a sure sign of a fake.

But the easiest thing is this: know the seven accepted and proven manufacturers of the RK and treat everything else with extrem caution.

Best regards

Dietrich

[Dion]

Hi Dietrich,

Many thanks for your expertise on this piece. Its greatly appreciated!
In your experience, where would one like this have originated from?
Does one see many of this particular type Fake?
Because from what I can tell, this is a pretty good fake, except for the obvious flaw of the "dipped ring".

Dion

[Dietrich Maerz]

Hi Dion,

I really don't know when and where this one originated. But it is known for quite some time and there are plenty. There is also a pre-May 45 model of the dipping ring (unofficial shop sample), but those are extremely are and I have only seen one so far.

The quality of a fake is really not the important factor (the Rounder was pretty good and better then some wartime crosses) - it is the fact that it is NOT one of the seven approved and genuine suppliers.

Dietrich