Cased Iron Cross 1st Class

[sturgis]

The first cross in question is a good unmarked SOUVAL cross. In a typical souval issue box too. It has the long coke bottle pin and the typical lines in the corners of the beading. It also has the low '3' in the 1939.
$400 to $440 IMO.
Rich

[helmetbuyers]

Wow!!

Nice way to display a comparison!

I really appreciate all the effort in explaining... Robert

[Stu W]

A good Souval

Hello,

As Rainer and Rich have stated it's a good Souval frame cross with Souval core as well. Die flaw, Dipped 3, fat swas etc. are all there.

For new member info there is a fine article on Souval EK pinned to the top of this forum. It's well worth the read. It will assist telling Souval from all other EK as there are several unique characteristics of Souval frame EK with and without Souval cores.

Regards,
Stu

[grueni1208]

It looks good to me. Here are some pics of mine. Maybe we both got screwed!! Just kidding. I just took these pics and there was a little to much sun but I hope that they will do.

Thorn

Sorry but your EK I is a well known fake.
- wrong hinge and pin system
- wrong number design
- wrong frame design
... there is no element of an original EK I.


The first EK I is a good Souval in the version with swastika on base.

Regards

Grueni

[Thorn]

Sorry but your EK I is a well known fake.
- wrong hinge and pin system
- wrong number design
- wrong frame design
... there is no element of an original EK I.


The first EK I is a good Souval in the version with swastika on base.

Regards

Grueni

Hi, I know that this post is not about my Iron cross and I don't want to make it in to my post, but I want to know more.
"There is no element of an original EK1" You say. I have personaly recieved EK1 crosses from German WWII veterans ( 3 crosses ) and yes one had a different hinge system.

You are the expert so I will listen to you, so explain what is wrong with the frame work, number design etc. I know that different makers had different hinges and such. I have compaired mine to many other Deschlers and most of them are identical. Are all those fakes too? Thanks again for your input.

Thorn

[grueni1208]

Hello Thorn,

no problem. Here are the features.

Front side:
- the beading near the swastika is wrong, it looks like a deschler frame but it's other
- the number has different hights (between the left and right side)

Regards

Grueni

[grueni1208]

original deschler beading to compare

[grueni1208]

back side:
- complete wrong hinge and pin system

[grueni1208]

This type of copy is to find with another hinge and pin system, too.
The distinctive features of these type are the beading near swas and the number design (different hights).

Regards

Grueni

[Garethmk1]

Dear All,

I'm sure this cross and case assembly has now been sold on the e-stand. If so ... maybe the buyer should be contacted.

Gareth

[Garethmk1]

Check this out as well, ... ouch ...

http://www.thirdreich.ca/museumcopies.php?section=icfc

Gareth

[grueni1208]

http://www.thirdreich.ca/museumcopies.php?section=icfc

..."A Post War Original"

It's a nice translitaration for FAKE.


Regards

Grueni

[Thorn]

Dear All,

I'm sure this cross and case assembly has now been sold on the e-stand. If so ... maybe the buyer should be contacted.

Gareth

No, it is still in my possesion. I was asking the pros first because I don't want to sell fakes to anyone.

Thorn

[Thorn]

original deschler beading to compare

Wich one is the fake or are they both original? If one is fake, I don't see the difference. Thanks for all your work by the way.

[Thorn]

Check this out as well, ... ouch ...

http://www.thirdreich.ca/museumcopies.php?section=icfc

Gareth

Now I'm mad!!!!!! I'm going back to the "reputable" collector who sold this to me and I'm going to make a lampshade out of him!!!!!!!! I'm not joking! I'm going to find out his store name ( I forgot it ) and post it here so noone else will buy fakes from him!
Thanks to you all for helping me.

Thorn