Period post assembly paint/ touch up was done , that by itself would be not out of place . But.... in this case the old paint spots under the new shiny paint is the problem - the red flag Peter pointed out - indicating that it has been painted resently !
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Thanks again for your replyes.Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
If it have been applyed paint after 45 is not a problem for me.
And I dont know what you mean when you say that it have been painted resently.
It have been in my belongings for more than 3 years, and I can promise you I have not painted it.
And it did not look new painted when I got it 3 or 4 years ago.
But can I ask you, do you agree it's a original iron cross?
Regards
Gulli
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Recent - I mean painted after 45 .
Paint did not look new when you got ?
Did you polish/ buffed it or aply oil to the core , which would make it more shiny .
The cross itself . from what can see , I would say is original .Comment
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Hallo
I can promise you I have done nothing to it.
And this summer its 4 years since I got it.
And I do belive as Peter first said, it have been painted after 45.
Because there is some paint on the silver frame as well.
But there is something I realy wonder about regarding this cross.
And there is a reason for I have just show'n you the front side pic of it.
I did that to see if it was real or not.
If it was a well know fake/copy I just would have left it there.
And please belive me when I'm saying this is not a joke or anything like that at all.
But this one got a swastica on both sides, or both side looks like the front side.
Heres the pic of the backside.
Best regards
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Hi Gulli,Originally posted by Jahmann View Post
Not even the fakers have produced an EK fake with a swastika on both sides of the core - have they?
Is the core magnetic? Is there any sign that the frame has been taken apart?
I don't see how a solid core could end up with a swastika on both sides so my guess is that the core is made of two thinly stamped, seperate pieces, a front and a back and during assembly two front sides were put in by mistake.
I will stand corrected on anything I have said if a more knowledgeable collector can shed better light on this one.Comment
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This would indecate a split core . Holding the Swastica on one side ,possibly, the other side may be moved with your finger nail . Rust in the corner would say it is magnetic . If I remember correctly there is a split frame in the stats here . Would be interesting to see that one now .Comment
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Hallo
The core cant be moved at all in the frame.
And its magnetic for sure.
Regards
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It's likely that the newer paint has stuck the core to the frame or the rust has welded the core(s) to the inside of the frame.Originally posted by Jahmann View PostComment
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That is what I was looking at , as the indicators are there , had to have it confirmed from Gulli . Forgive me for asking , are both sides magnetic ?
Now this is not what I wanted to suggest , got this off another forum , to test for split core , when the halves are 'stuck' .
Please : it is risky and your decision to do so ;or get a majority vote on it from other members .
The tap test : on split stamped frame halves , the Swastika apparently is hallow :
So you have 2 hollow Swastikas back to back, which makes this - if it is - very easy to hear , because of the twice as large resonating hollow space !
" Tapping' : the Swastika with the back of a small spoon . A dull low sound would indicate a hollow space , a higher 'clang'- would mean solid core ,as the spoon is resonating only , .....putting a sound into words is difficult ! Each person picks up sound slightly different . Well for yourself to notice any sound differences you have to do the same on a known solid core , in succession !
<<< WARNING>>> : I do stress the danger of doing this - the paint when hit could chip !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trying to get the core lose is more or less a lost cause too .
IMO I think there are a lot more split cores out there ,not able to be detected because they are stuck by paint,rust etc. or most likely really -fixed in place- during soldering of the frame halves !! The lack of occurance- rarely crosses with split cores being found- to me suggests that .
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Thanks for the replyes
Il see if I'l try it tomorrow
And let you know what I find out.
best regards
GulliComment
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Hallo
I have now tryed the tips regarding the spoon.
But there is no differnets from this one and a normal one.
Byt thanks anyway.
But what do you think.
is it from pre 45 or what do you think.
And why is there no more comnet on it?
Is it just to strange or do people just dont belive in it?
regards
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Looks like then 2 solid EK1 front halves that were used , as the maker possibly ran out or could not get one piece cores in time to complete orders .Comment
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2 swastikas lol thats not bad... anyone ever heard of this?Comment
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I'm open minded on the EK. I think it is a period made piece from what I have read and seen so far, just an anomaly, a reject, an assembly worker made a mistake but who knows?Originally posted by Jahmann View Post
I expect the reason more people haven't commented on it is because it is unusual, I can't remember ever seeing one like it before and others may be reserving their judgement and learning from the thread.
Unless of course you made it......
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To get any further , a hands on inspection is the only thing left , some things you will have to look for- for me as I do not have the cross , which you can do .
Lets take another stab at this .
Looking at the picture in post 4 :
The core on that side - the Swastika - appears to be far too large - corners are riding up on the flange . No manufacturer designs a cross for the frame and core not to fit !! Even though the back side Swastika , maybe the original core to this cross ,...is off center it might be smaller than the front one . Can you some how measure them to see if they are the same size , and check form and angle on flanges . Working with downloaded pictures is difficult because of enlargement distortion . My guess is , the more I look at them , the cores are from different makers , which increases the probability of a 'home job ' assembly ?????
Any way to get a few shots of the soldering seam ??? May give some clues .
And one final check . As with most crosses - some 'hand finishing' may have been done . The file marks on the side of the frame . Lets hope there are some !!!
This may be the best determination . Anyone taking the frame apart again >>>
beware you cannot re-align the really fine file marks from the top and bottom frame again ! If no files marks under magnification are present, then look for other scrapes and dings going across both frame sides - can be used for alignment .
I have seen re-solder attempt that burnt the paint and the one quick way to cover this up , is to repaint .
Now please have a good look .
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